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by: alligator, 05-07-2010 01:03 AM (#1)

interesting meeting today have to admit it was really funny watching one guy argue with himself and giving two versions of one point.this is whats good about this but i dont agree with this but this is a step too far but this is not my opinion i am argueing on behalf of someone else.only the spa could allow someone to argue on someones behalf even though this is not what the person argueing the point wanted theirselves.master stroke by mick.ross is and always will be the main man when it comes to putting points of views over.i hear a couple of murderers and bank robbers awaiting trial have asked for ross to represent them at their upcoming trials.i feel they have every chance of a not guilty lol.
 
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RE: egm
by: JB, 05-07-2010 01:28 AM (#2)

Can you let him finish please Renz???
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RE: egm
by: FlyingScotsman, 05-07-2010 09:44 AM (#3)

LOL

I agreed with you that the Scottish should not be ranked but as our Chairman could not attend due to very personnel reasons, I had to argue his point, don't really feel that I did a good job for him, I believe that the members felt that the top 16 have enough advantage and that keeping the Scottish with an open draw and with ranking points still makes it the biggest and best comp in the country.

As you informed me that a couple of the guys that you had on your side even voted against you, the members have shown again that the majority always rules.
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RE: egm
by: maxi, 05-07-2010 10:21 AM (#4)

To be honest if the proposal was made like Ross had explained it originally then it would have had a better chance of getting thru.

Ross you said at the last meeting that you wanted to make the Scottish our premier singles event but not a ranking event and introduce IM5 as a standard ranking IM for everyone.

Then come the meeting the Scottish was treated as a stand alone case, if everyone had the addendum that IM5 would basically take it's place as a ranking event then it would have had a much better chance.

Last Sunday you said you were changing your proposal to be IM5 would be ranking but be an open draw and everyone would need to qualify, and when I spoke to Mick on Thursday night he said he fully supported that change as a compromise to making the Scottish a non-ranking event.

So what changed Ross?
 
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RE: egm
by: knowledge, 05-07-2010 10:27 AM (#5)

My understanding of an EGM is that the only thing that can be discussed or voted on is the motion that the EGM is called to discuss.

A yes or no vote should be taken on that motion and that should be that.

As much, if not all of the rest of the issues passed are agm/egm issues, none of these decisions are valid and should be re-discussed at a new egm or at the agm.
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RE: egm
by: FlyingScotsman, 05-07-2010 10:57 AM (#6)

Maxi, John get a grip.

Maxi first, yes I did not go into detail regarding IM 5 being a full ranking event because firstly we had to see if the members wanted to drop the Scottish from being ranked and open, THEY DID NOT, end of.

John the only thing that was discussed at the EGM was the IM and the only things that were voted on at the EGM was IM matters.
The Scottish remains a ranking event and IM 5 has now changed to exclude A and B catagory players, you tell me what else was voted at the AGM.
 
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RE: egm
by: maxi, 05-07-2010 11:19 AM (#7)

But Ross, they part of the one proposal you made at the last meeting, they should not be treated as two separate proposals. The body of the hall might have voted differently if they knew there was going to be a ranking event to replace the Scottish.
 
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RE: egm
by: Bash, 05-07-2010 11:37 AM (#8)

knowledge wrote:
My understanding of an EGM is that the only thing that can be discussed or voted on is the motion that the EGM is called to discuss.


This is how the rules are experssed. Anyone remember the Seccy's post the last time we had an EGM? "THIS IS THE ONLY MATTER THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED"!
 
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RE: egm
by: knowledge, 05-07-2010 11:38 AM (#9)

Ross, it should have been a yes or no on the proposal the meeting was called for. Nothing else.

You tell me if that's what happened?

Also can you tell me how many area reps went back to all the players in their area and asked the question?

I'll hazard a guess at none and I'll not be far away.

We have this website here that a fair amount of players use and we are governed at meetings by an astonishing form of "democracy".

It's time people became MEMBERS of the SPA. Be it 2 or 5 per annum and issue the reps with voting cards for these issues, they bring the cards back with a vote and a signature from each member and these are counted.

Presto, democracy!

Put the money in the IF less a % to charity and evryone is a winner. It'll save people who have never been at a meeting before and will never be at one again the travelling time.
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RE: egm
by: knowledge, 05-07-2010 11:40 AM (#10)

Bash wrote:
knowledge wrote:
My understanding of an EGM is that the only thing that can be discussed or voted on is the motion that the EGM is called to discuss.


This is how the rules are experssed. Anyone remember the Seccy's post the last time we had an EGM? "THIS IS THE ONLY MATTER THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED"!


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RE: egm
by: FlyingScotsman, 05-07-2010 11:59 AM (#11)

I don't get you, both of you,

A EGM was called to discuss changes to the IM for the coming years, that was all we discussed at the EGM, nothing else, nothing else was voted on at the EGM.

You cannot just ask people to turn up and vote Yes or No , they must know what they are voting on and give them the right to make proposals to any changes they wish, that is why the meeting was called.

As for area reps going back and asking their members, this should have been done before they came, as everyone knew why the meeting was called.

Honestly John sometimes you only see your own point of view but this time you are so far off the mark it's untrue.
 
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RE: egm
by: alligator, 05-07-2010 12:04 PM (#12)

ok ross how many area reps asked their members what they wanted.
 
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RE: egm
by: FlyingScotsman, 05-07-2010 12:10 PM (#13)

I don't know Renzie, you are the one that is asking all these guys what they want, are you not.

At the end of the day EVERYONE knew what the EGM was called for, area reps turned up and you and everyone else had their say, the only change to IM in future years is that IM 5 will exculde Cat B players, that is what the members voted for and that is what they got.
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RE: egm
by: maxi, 05-07-2010 12:14 PM (#14)

You tell them Ross!!!
 
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RE: egm
by: FlyingScotsman, 05-07-2010 12:15 PM (#15)

Thanks nice guy.
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RE: egm
by: alligator, 05-07-2010 12:16 PM (#16)

this is what the reps voted for ross the im members were not asked their thoughts by the reps think this is johns point.the players i spoke too had no contact from the area or im rep so a select few made decisions for 891 im members without discussing with these members.thats spa democracy for you.over to you ross defend that.
 
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RE: egm
by: Bash, 05-07-2010 12:38 PM (#17)

A few points:

I never knew what the meeting was called for.
I asked on this website several times, and got no answer.
The communication in all areas down to the members is not good enough.
I said in my proposals on the other website that we needed to change that.
The Constitution specifically calls out that any structural changes to the IM need to be balloted out to the IM members - and cannot be changed at an AGM or EGM by the body of the hall.
 
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RE: egm
by: alligator, 05-07-2010 12:49 PM (#18)

the constitution says what wow.get the ballot papers ready then guys.this is obviously the way it should be.
 
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RE: egm
by: FlyingScotsman, 05-07-2010 01:00 PM (#19)

Renzie you first, how do you know that the area reps did not ask their members, have you asked all the 891, by the way it's around 791.

Bash it was in the minutes of the last meeting, as I have said before the website can discuss anything that they want regarding pool but changes can only be made at the SPA meetings.

As for the constitution, not my area, if the EGM is not correct and only changes to the IM can be made by the IM members then all well and good, will ask Davy if that is correct.
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RE: egm
by: JB, 05-07-2010 01:04 PM (#20)

This is part of the reason I asked last week if an agenda for the meeting would be published, only to be told that the SPA doesn't do this........ perhaps its time the SPA did.

The Reps, myself included, can only vote from conscience and in the hope they understand their members wants and needs. Until such times as proper detailed notification of impending voting is given, with adequate time to consult the membership, then this problem does not have a solution
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