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APPENDIX 5: IM (Individual Membership) Specific Rules
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  APPENDIX 5: IM (Individual Membership) Specific Rules
by: FCBash, 10-01-2016 10:52 PM (#1)

Further to my previous post, found here, http://www.scotti...ad_id=4555

The IM5 Appendix has been revised and updated. This was agreed and ratified at the SPA Meeting held on 6th December 2015.


A link to the current revision can be found below:-

www.scottishpool....2.2015.pdf


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RE: APPENDIX 5: IM (Individual Membership) Specific Rules
by: maxi, 11-01-2016 10:44 AM (#2)

Michael have you done any analysis of the changes to the ranking system that were made.

I feel after seeing it in operation for a year that there should have been tweaks made, I would start with the point at 128 stage rather than 64.

Using myself as an example, I started the year around 32nd in the rankings, I wasn't going to play any pool so never went to the first 3 IM's. Went to last 2 IM's and the Scottish and only won a match or two at each one and I only dropped about 10 places.

For me not attending 3 of the 5 IM's should mean your guaranteed to drop out the top 64 unless you done really well in the ones you attended which I didn't.

My own analysis is that it's too hard for guys to climb the rankings as they need to win so many matches at the finals to even earn a single point.

Be interested in hearing your thoughts Michael?
 
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RE: APPENDIX 5: IM (Individual Membership) Specific Rules
by: gofar, 11-01-2016 01:58 PM (#3)

Agree Maxi, there is a slight flaw in this area that's needs looked at. Think what Pat came up with is very good but like you say some tweaks are needed.

Last year I Qualified for 2 IMís, in both Events I won my first game then got beat in my second game. I got 0 Ranking points and £20.

There was a player in my area got a bye through to the 3rd round in IM 1 then didnít turn up for his last 64 game, he got 0 Ranking points and £30. The fact that money is the next separator to Ranking points makes this crucial.

We end up on the same Ranking points but he pips me to the post for a seed by £10.

Surely this highlights that there is a slight flaw in this area that needs rectified?

Bet I am not the only one who has been hard done.
 
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RE: APPENDIX 5: IM (Individual Membership) Specific Rules
by: junior1, 11-01-2016 02:10 PM (#4)

I agree with Maxi too, I would have ranking points from 128.
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RE: APPENDIX 5: IM (Individual Membership) Specific Rules
by: Housty, 11-01-2016 02:31 PM (#5)

Ranking points should also be awarded if you get a bye. It's not a players fault if they turn up and their opponent doesnt. Not getting the 6 frames could still be in place
 
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RE: APPENDIX 5: IM (Individual Membership) Specific Rules
by: Mulson, 11-01-2016 02:39 PM (#6)

Housty wrote:
Ranking points should also be awarded if you get a bye. It's not a players fault if they turn up and their opponent doesnt. Not getting the 6 frames could still be in place


You do still get ranking points (or merit points) for a bye. Obviously you only get Ranking Points if your bye gets you to a stage where Ranking points are awarded, last 64 on.

Unless you mean merit point at qualifying stage? i.e. last 2048 or 1024. In which case I would agree. Don't see why someone should be penalised because their opponent couldn't make it.
 
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RE: APPENDIX 5: IM (Individual Membership) Specific Rules
by: Housty, 11-01-2016 04:44 PM (#7)

The ranking points should be starting from the final 256, not the last 64
 
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RE: APPENDIX 5: IM (Individual Membership) Specific Rules
by: FCBash, 11-01-2016 11:27 PM (#8)

maxi wrote:
Michael have you done any analysis of the changes to the ranking system that were made.

I feel after seeing it in operation for a year that there should have been tweaks made, I would start with the point at 128 stage rather than 64.

Using myself as an example, I started the year around 32nd in the rankings, I wasn't going to play any pool so never went to the first 3 IM's. Went to last 2 IM's and the Scottish and only won a match or two at each one and I only dropped about 10 places.

For me not attending 3 of the 5 IM's should mean your guaranteed to drop out the top 64 unless you done really well in the ones you attended which I didn't.

My own analysis is that it's too hard for guys to climb the rankings as they need to win so many matches at the finals to even earn a single point.

Be interested in hearing your thoughts Michael?


Maxi, no, I haven't carried out any detailed analysis on the changes. We are still in a transition period where the current rankings are incorporating a set of points that were converted from the old system. Only once these are wiped, in my opinion, will provide us the tool to reflect and see if the new system is working. Don't get me wrong, there are flaws. One of them pointed out by Gordon in his posts above.

You reference yourself having only played a couple of IM's in 2015, but your previous year's results (2014) may have been good enough to have retained your position. I haven't looked at them to confirm.

There was plenty of discussion when Pat proposed these changes, I'd be going over old ground regurgitating what Pat has already posted previously in the discussion forums about why the Merit Points begin through qualifying etc and why Ranking Points begin at the Last 64. These were also discussed at length in numerous SPA meetings.

Notwithstanding, I will review the system at the end of this season to see if I can suggest any improvements (or before if I can). In addition, any member who has any proposals can also put them forward on this forum or through their Area/IM Rep.
 
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