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  SPA sink to new lows as a farce
by: maxi, 04-09-2016 10:41 PM (#1)

Just had a quick read at meeting minutes on Glasgow site.

Don't know where to start as for me these decisions will spell the end to the SPA as a credible governing body as they simply fail to follow simple procedures.

1. Several proposals were made at last meeting in regards to the International selection and it states on those minutes that vote will be taken at next meeting ie September. Well done the SPA, following procedure for a change.

These proposals were voted on and it states that fundemental changes cannot be made at an ordinary meeting!!!!! WTF!!!

The international selection policy is an appendice so can be voted on at any
Meeting!!!!!

2. Then proposal is made for the SPA to supply all international team players with 4 polo shirts which was passed unanimously. REALLY????

Why was this proposal allowed to be made AND voted on at same meeting when
The SPA is deciding to fund around £4K, this should be proposed and voted on at next meeting.

Here's a counter proposal, take £4K off the IM fund for this and make automatic spots in the ranking system so the top players are helping pay for themselves rather than all the cannon fodder who play at Superleagues etc paying for the elite with no chance of getting a return on their investment. As not one penny in the SPA bank account is derived from the IM.

I played international pool for well over a decade and having to pay £40 for polo shirts is not going to prevent someone taking up that honour. Especially when it's buying tops if they don't belong to the SPA.

I find the lack of constitutional procedure being followed a gross case of misconduct.

This rant may be fuelled by me being steaming tonight for first in god knows how long but every point is legitimate.
 
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RE: SPA sink to new lows as a farce
by: knowledge, 05-09-2016 07:44 AM (#2)

You should drink more often.
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RE: SPA sink to new lows as a farce
by: alligator, 05-09-2016 10:30 AM (#3)

Funnily enough if you check back a meeting in my opinion
fundamental changes were made at that ordinary meeting
with regards to the International selection process , so I found
this a strange one ?

The July meeting had a vote taken for changes to the said process
four separate changes were proposed and seconded taken back to
the areas and voted on in july

the trial going to one a season was passed , the trial format going to one frame round robin
was not passed with double eliminator race to 6 winners side 5 losers side remaining ??????
 
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RE: SPA sink to new lows as a farce
by: scottishslack, 05-09-2016 03:23 PM (#4)

Great post Maxi.
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RE: SPA sink to new lows as a farce
by: maxi, 06-09-2016 05:18 PM (#5)

http://scottishpo...er2011.pdf

Here is a link to minutes of an EGM called to discuss Aberdeen being allowed dual affiliation on a trial year.

Renzie brought up at the meeting that we should scrap choice policy and it went to a vote on whether something could be decided other than the exact thing the meeting was called for.

The vote was decisive that only that item can be voted on.

This set a precedent for no counter proposals for an EGM.

To get changes made to the supers took about 4 or 5 meetings with various votes etc and same happened to introduce the 256 IMs.

Yet on Sunday it was decided to go to ballot an idea nobody had heard of until Sunday afternoon.

Unfathomable the thinking from the exec who must be held accountable as they are supposed to be the custodians of our organisation and make sure we follow our constitution.
 
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RE: SPA sink to new lows as a farce
by: knowledge, 06-09-2016 07:42 PM (#6)

maxi wrote:
http://scottishpo...er2011.pdf

Here is a link to minutes of an EGM called to discuss Aberdeen being allowed dual affiliation on a trial year.

Renzie brought up at the meeting that we should scrap choice policy and it went to a vote on whether something could be decided other than the exact thing the meeting was called for.

The vote was decisive that only that item can be voted on.

This set a precedent for no counter proposals for an EGM.

To get changes made to the supers took about 4 or 5 meetings with various votes etc and same happened to introduce the 256 IMs.

Yet on Sunday it was decided to go to ballot an idea nobody had heard of until Sunday afternoon.

Unfathomable the thinking from the exec who must be held accountable as they are supposed to be the custodians of our organisation and make sure we follow our constitution.



The then Chairman made a decision, as a chairman can.
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RE: SPA sink to new lows as a farce
by: maxi, 06-09-2016 11:15 PM (#7)

The chairman was making a decision based on how an EGM works. You cannot take counter proposals. FACT.
 
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RE: SPA sink to new lows as a farce
by: knowledge, 06-09-2016 11:49 PM (#8)

maxi wrote:
The chairman was making a decision based on how an EGM works. You cannot take counter proposals. FACT.


Am always interested in facts. I look forward to your showing me that.
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RE: SPA sink to new lows as a farce
by: maxi, 07-09-2016 01:04 PM (#9)

knowledge wrote:
maxi wrote:
The chairman was making a decision based on how an EGM works. You cannot take counter proposals. FACT.


Am always interested in facts. I look forward to your showing me that.


It's there in black and white if you care to read it, the chairman stressed only the subject of the EGM can be discussed which in this case was the letter from Aberdeen.

Just like the EGM called by the exec could only discuss the proposal they put forward.
 
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RE: SPA sink to new lows as a farce
by: knowledge, 07-09-2016 01:58 PM (#10)

We only discussed one subject at the EGM. That's what's there in black and white.
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RE: SPA sink to new lows as a farce
by: maxi, 07-09-2016 02:25 PM (#11)

knowledge wrote:
We only discussed one subject at the EGM. That's what's there in black and white.


The one subject is the execs proposal John. Just like it was Aberdeens letter only.
 
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RE: SPA sink to new lows as a farce
by: knowledge, 07-09-2016 02:42 PM (#12)

maxi wrote:
knowledge wrote:
We only discussed one subject at the EGM. That's what's there in black and white.


The one subject is the execs proposal John. Just like it was Aberdeens letter only.


Here's an extract from the minutes that you yourself posted

"Alan Reynolds brought up the fact that at previous EGMís there have been counter proposals made which didnít relate the exact subject being discussed. The Chairman stressed that on the subject of the EGM can be discussed and that is the letter received".

The chairman would not allow counter proposals on any other subject. At the meeting on Sunday all the counter proposals were about the subject at hand. I know you never accept that you are wrong so I'll leave it at that.

As you would say "in black and white".
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RE: SPA sink to new lows as a farce
by: maxi, 07-09-2016 05:05 PM (#13)

All you have done there John is prove what I've been stating.

Cheers.
 
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RE: SPA sink to new lows as a farce
by: smarties, 07-09-2016 05:31 PM (#14)

maxi wrote:
knowledge wrote:
We only discussed one subject at the EGM. That's what's there in black and white.


The one subject is the execs proposal John. Just like it was Aberdeens letter only.



Maxi here is the original post for calling the E.G.M.;


This is notice to every member that the Exec have called an E.G.M. for Sunday 4th September, venue Gladyer Inn Rosyth, time 11.00am.

This will be to discuss, and take proposals, so as to ballot the members if needed, about the I.Ms. for next year 2017, following this E.G.M. our Bi-monthly meeting will take place, please note that all monies due for the super 15s are due at or before the meeting.


Regards Malky.

I have put the relevant bit in bold to help you out.Tell me again what has been done wrongly as i do not like getting things wrong...
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