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  Payment Dates
by: Marshall, 06-12-2017 03:06 PM (#1)

When are the 2018 affiliation fees due and also the Super 11's?
 
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RE: Payment Dates
by: TNT, 06-12-2017 05:02 PM (#2)

Fees for Supers to be cleared in SPA account by 4th February.
Affiliation fees, not sure but there is a meeting scheduled for 14th January. Next meeting after that is AGM on 1st April.
 
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RE: Payment Dates
by: Danny the geetar man, 06-12-2017 06:21 PM (#3)

I think you're right Dave. Fee's have definitely to be paid 4th February at the very least.
 
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RE: Payment Dates
by: secretary, 06-12-2017 10:10 PM (#4)

Affiliation - January meeting 14 January

S11 fees - 4 February

J Paterson - 5 Person - entries - 31 March - fees tbc

W McCartney - 1 April

Singles - 8 July

Doubles - 8 July

Super 15 - entries 8 July, Fees - 16 September

2019 IM (fees) and S11 entries 2 December
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RE: Payment Dates
by: secretary, 06-12-2017 10:13 PM (#5)

Erlend Barlas event tbc

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RE: Payment Dates
by: FlyingScotsman, 07-12-2017 09:26 PM (#6)

Davy I have asked the SPA to look again at the Scottish singles entry fee along with when the cut off date is arranged,

So you all know I want the same as other Scottish titles 10 along with the ebtry taken by April as lots of leagues close down by July.

Why should the biggest and best event of the year be less than all the rest?
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RE: Payment Dates
by: secretary, 07-12-2017 10:45 PM (#7)

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Davy I have asked the SPA to look again at the Scottish singles entry fee along with when the cut off date is arranged,

So you all know I want the same as other Scottish titles 10 along with the ebtry taken by April as lots of leagues close down by July.

Why should the biggest and best event of the year be less than all the rest?


the entry date was not changed at the meeting
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RE: Payment Dates
by: Silky198, 08-12-2017 11:19 AM (#8)

secretary wrote:
Affiliation - January meeting 14 January

S11 fees - 4 February

J Paterson - 5 Person - entries - 31 March - fees tbc

W McCartney - 1 April

Singles - 8 July

Doubles - 8 July

Super 15 - entries 8 July, Fees - 16 September

2019 IM (fees) and S11 entries 2 December


How much are the affiliation fees to be paid by 14th January?, and for Super 11's fees would this be for all teams that have qualified for my area?(Potentially 4), or do we need to pay for teams that have entered the qualifiers as well?, if you can let me know, cheers.
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RE: Payment Dates
by: FlyingScotsman, 08-12-2017 03:41 PM (#9)

50 affiliation.
Leagues only have to pay for the teams already in the divisions.
The teams qualifying from the play offs have two weeks after that to pay their fees.
 
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RE: Payment Dates
by: davy2shots, 08-12-2017 05:33 PM (#10)

secretary wrote:
Affiliation - January meeting 14 January

S11 fees - 4 February

J Paterson - 5 Person - entries - 31 March - fees tbc

W McCartney - 1 April

Singles - 8 July

Doubles - 8 July

Super 15 - entries 8 July, Fees - 16 September

2019 IM (fees) and S11 entries 2 December


Are there any plans to run the Ronnie Ferrier National 9's in 2018?
 
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RE: Payment Dates
by: Housty, 11-12-2017 02:20 PM (#11)

davy2shots wrote:
secretary wrote:
Affiliation - January meeting 14 January

S11 fees - 4 February

J Paterson - 5 Person - entries - 31 March - fees tbc

W McCartney - 1 April

Singles - 8 July

Doubles - 8 July

Super 15 - entries 8 July, Fees - 16 September

2019 IM (fees) and S11 entries 2 December


Are there any plans to run the Ronnie Ferrier National 9's in 2018?


I hope so Davy, that was a great weekend
 
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RE: Payment Dates
by: secretary, 11-12-2017 03:35 PM (#12)

davy2shots wrote:
secretary wrote:
Affiliation - January meeting 14 January

S11 fees - 4 February

J Paterson - 5 Person - entries - 31 March - fees tbc

W McCartney - 1 April

Singles - 8 July

Doubles - 8 July

Super 15 - entries 8 July, Fees - 16 September

2019 IM (fees) and S11 entries 2 December


Are there any plans to run the Ronnie Ferrier National 9's in 2018?



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RE: Payment Dates
by: FlyingScotsman, 11-12-2017 04:25 PM (#13)

secretary wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
Davy I have asked the SPA to look again at the Scottish singles entry fee along with when the cut off date is arranged,

So you all know I want the same as other Scottish titles 10 along with the ebtry taken by April as lots of leagues close down by July.

Why should the biggest and best event of the year be less than all the rest?


the entry date was not changed at the meeting


was it discussed?
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RE: Payment Dates
by: Drover, 11-12-2017 09:39 PM (#14)

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Davy I have asked the SPA to look again at the Scottish singles entry fee along with when the cut off date is arranged,

So you all know I want the same as other Scottish titles 10 along with the ebtry taken by April as lots of leagues close down by July.

Why should the biggest and best event of the year be less than all the rest?


Firstly u will never get the Scottish Singles changed to a 10 for the simple reason. Only the top/international abilty type players will vote for it to be raised to a 10. I know this is a fact in my area as I conducted my areas vote when this was last proposed and over half of my areas entries stated they wouldn't enter the Scottish at a 10. The lesser players who make up the most entries with simply defeat it again or not enter.

Seniors Scottish - 10 for the simple reason, all events are 10
Scottish Doubles - 10 divided by 2 5 each

What other Scottish events are a 10 to enter

Scottish at 5 is great value for all players with the most entries
Scottish at 10 is great value for a top player but will reduce entries dramatically.
 
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RE: Payment Dates
by: FlyingScotsman, 12-12-2017 11:07 AM (#15)

Bob been hearing this for years to be honest, mainly from you and a few more.

When you say never , give me a break please, this is 2017 not the 1980s.

Lets start with your first point with being only the top players will vote for it, well to be honest , I don't think players should vote for it.

All I get is the entries will go down, well if they do then they do but as been pointed out things change and its about time the Scottish entry fee changed as well.

You have pointed out the scottish seniors do but who else, well the Ladies do, well the Masters do but lets go on to the tours where players pay from 20 an event up to lots more and still they get full.

Lets go back to the one event that is not seeded, the Scottish, where instead of the IMs and the lesser players have to beat the top players at each round.

Here we have an open draw right from the word go, no seeds from the very start of the event and I cannot remember Alan Saunders winning any real big event before winning the Scottish Championship, so perhaps this event is different.

So I say to you and the rest who may not feel like entering the Scottish Championship because it is 10, why not, when your willing to pay upwards of 20 for local tournaments.

The Scottish Championship is the biggest single event the SPA does and the prize fund should reflect that as well.

If the entries go down, well then we will look again but the other points you have raised are not in my opinion relevant in this day and age.
 
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RE: Payment Dates
by: Drover, 12-12-2017 05:55 PM (#16)

Well I can only give u my opinion on players in my area. We ask our IM players if they can to pay their 5 Scottish Singles when paying their IM. This saves us from chasing them up at a later date. Now off our 47 IM entries 14 don't play any tours. Only IM/Scottish and league pool, we had our monthly meeting last night in which it was talked and discussed about the proposed raise in entry price. The general consensus was just amongst the captain's and committee was to just give them their 5 entry back if it did pass.

You know as well as I do if it was up to the players it won't come in. That's why u've said it shouldn't be up to the players.

Who should it be up to???



 
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RE: Payment Dates
by: FlyingScotsman, 12-12-2017 06:53 PM (#17)

I think that paying 10 in this day in age for the biggest singles event we have Bob is not to much.

You have came back with your answers to what you want to put on but not against what I have said.

You said what other events pay 10 for the championships and I have shown you 3, with more than likely the Under 23s singles as well.

I have said that this event is more open than any other singles event the SPA do but again you don't come back and say anything except your players will not pay the extra 5.

sorry son the SPA are growing and as such their main event should carry more prize monmey than the rest, not be second to an IM event.
 
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RE: Payment Dates
by: Drover, 12-12-2017 07:47 PM (#18)

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I think that paying 10 in this day in age for the biggest singles event we have Bob is not to much.

It isn't to the serious player. But in my opinion most of each areas numbers comes from the casual/league players who view it as giving the better players more money

You have came back with your answers to what you want to put on but not against what I have said.

You said what other events pay 10 for the championships and I have shown you 3, with more than likely the Under 23s singles as well.

As my area currently has no players in the events u have stated that are 10, I thank you for letting us know

I have said that this event is more open than any other singles event the SPA do but again you don't come back and say anything except your players will not pay the extra 5.

I can't say anything against this as it's true but it's not really a good selling point to justify the double entry fee to tell players "You might get a good draw as it's a non seeded event so give me a 10 instead of a 5"


sorry son the SPA are growing and as such their main event should carry more prize monmey than the rest, not be second to an IM event.

If it's growing then the numbers and prisemoney will increase with more people entering



You have not answered my point which was

Who do u think should make the decision on the proposed 10 entry fee
 
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RE: Payment Dates
by: FlyingScotsman, 12-12-2017 10:54 PM (#19)

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I think that paying 10 in this day in age for the biggest singles event we have Bob is not to much.

It isn't to the serious player. But in my opinion most of each areas numbers comes from the casual/league players who view it as giving the better players more money

Most of the players who enter the Scottish are the same players who enter the IMs Bob.


You have came back with your answers to what you want to put on but not against what I have said.

You said what other events pay 10 for the championships and I have shown you 3, with more than likely the Under 23s singles as well.

As my area currently has no players in the events u have stated that are 10, I thank you for letting us know

I find it hard to believe that no players from your area has entered the Scottish Ladies, Seniors or Masters Bob

I have said that this event is more open than any other singles event the SPA do but again you don't come back and say anything except your players will not pay the extra 5.

I can't say anything against this as it's true but it's not really a good selling point to justify the double entry fee to tell players "You might get a good draw as it's a non seeded event so give me a 10 instead of a 5"

You may not find it a good selling point Bob but lots of others do like non seeded events, I for one do.

sorry son the SPA are growing and as such their main event should carry more prize monmey than the rest, not be second to an IM event.

If it's growing then the numbers and prisemoney will increase with more people entering

Well it is growing Bob but until we increase the entry fee and find out if u or I are correct, we will never know.



You have not answered my point which was

Who do u think should make the decision on the proposed 10 entry fee


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RE: Payment Dates
by: sarry, 14-12-2017 08:19 PM (#20)

ross the only reason there is a 10 entry in the other national singles is because there isnt as big a field 70 in the masters and 100 in the seniors there was 1300 entered the mens singles event last year close to a 6500 prize fund why do you feel the need to double that why dont you get sponsors or even better charge the top players more to enter it and not just fleece the majority who dont stand a chance of getting to the latter stages am lookin forward to your responceSmile
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