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  £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: Macleod00, 09-07-2018 05:18 PM (#61)

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So if guys play in the Supers they have to pay an extra £5 or is it just SPA singles and doubles comps this is for??


All SPA events will fall under the banner. So whether you play in one or all SPA events it will be a £5 fee.


So what does the £50 affiliation qualify leagues for then?
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: maxi, 09-07-2018 05:46 PM (#62)

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Can I please just take a moment to reflect on this.

There a lot of talk ongoing regarding several topics, but there is also a lot of hot air being spouted. Each time a decision like this is made it is always 'The SPA' at fault for the decision. This proposal was made by a member, seconded and the voted on, ironically, by the members. I don't recall of the Exec making this proposal.


I have not seen anyone blame the exec for this £5 registration fee because, for this time, the constitution was actually followed, but what blame does lie at the execs door is that the minutes from the AGM have not been made public so how can any reps who werenít in attendance know what to ask their members how they were to vote?

That IS unconstitutional..
 
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: sarry, 09-07-2018 06:45 PM (#63)

is it right that international trials are getting shelved
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: knowledge, 09-07-2018 07:16 PM (#64)

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Quick question...
A player is asked to play in the super 15s by the team captain. This player has not paid the £5.

Does he:
a) get to pay the £5 to allow his inclusion, or
b ) he's excluded from possible selection.

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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: The Hurricane, 09-07-2018 07:23 PM (#65)

Just out of curiosity, What do you get for this fee?
 
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: FCBash, 09-07-2018 08:17 PM (#66)

Macleod00 wrote:
FCBash wrote:
Macleod00 wrote:
So if guys play in the Supers they have to pay an extra £5 or is it just SPA singles and doubles comps this is for??


All SPA events will fall under the banner. So whether you play in one or all SPA events it will be a £5 fee.


So what does the £50 affiliation qualify leagues for then?


It has been proposed to reduce this to a nominal £5 also for affiliation. This will be voted on at the next meeting.
 
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: FCBash, 09-07-2018 08:19 PM (#67)

sarry wrote:
is it right that international trials are getting shelved


The entire International Selection Policy is being shelved, which will in effect be after the World Championships. So in short, yes, the trials will be shelved as they form part of the policy.
 
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: FCBash, 09-07-2018 08:20 PM (#68)

The Hurricane wrote:
Just out of curiosity, What do you get for this fee?


You'll gain membership to the SPA and have access to all of the competitions that the SPA offer.
 
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: FCBash, 09-07-2018 08:22 PM (#69)

maxi wrote:
I have not seen anyone blame the exec for this £5 registration fee because, for this time, the constitution was actually followed, but what blame does lie at the execs door is that the minutes from the AGM have not been made public so how can any reps who werenít in attendance know what to ask their members how they were to vote?

That IS unconstitutional..


I've seen a few fingers pointed in the direction of the Exec Maxi.
 
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: The Hurricane, 09-07-2018 08:43 PM (#70)

FCBash wrote:
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Just out of curiosity, What do you get for this fee?


You'll gain membership to the SPA and have access to all of the competitions that the SPA offer.



You mean like an entry fee, or are we doing away with those now?
 
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: FCBash, 09-07-2018 08:47 PM (#71)

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You mean like an entry fee, or are we doing away with those now?


Yes, very similar to an entry fee. A small individual affiliation fee.

Although the plan is not to do away with entry fees.
 
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: secretary, 09-07-2018 10:21 PM (#72)

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Got to say that I personally never heard of this proposal, but I understand peopleís anger , it looks as if this is only a benefit of the top players yet again but on the other side just put the 5 IMs up to £6 instead of £5 then this doesnít look as bad but poor communication makes this look a lot worse than it really is . As for some of the defence for this in regards to other organisations entries is just unbelievable poor response, in fact nearing on embarrassing


It will NOT be for the benefit of the top players
It will benefit Youths Juniors and LD;s

Check the other post on IM's - entry fee £25 ---- top 16 players £125
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: secretary, 09-07-2018 10:28 PM (#73)

The SPA are the only organisation that does NOT have a proper individual membership.

Register a league and anyone can play... move from league to league....
Play in multiple Leagues

The SPA need a complete data base of all players
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: Gerryb, 10-07-2018 04:04 PM (#74)

FlyingScotsman wrote:
geegee1984 wrote:
IM turnouts are dropping
West of Scotland poor Tour growing
East of Scotland pool tour in 1st year

IPA and Supreme Series growing

What is spaís answer
Charge itís members £5.00 hmm


Lets answer a few of your points;

IM turnouts dropping, yes, players choice who has qualified if they wish to attend but entries to the IMs were up, which surprised me.

West of Scotland and all the tours are up and great to see.

IPA growing yes, they run their events for the best players in Europe and the best players pay how much to enter them ?

Surpreme series growing, well since they have only ever ran one event, I would wait to see how they grow in their second year before I would say they are growing, as for charging, they took off over 41000 pounds from the entries /sponsorship to run the series in one club, their own.

As for the the membership fee being asked now from all players who wish to play in SPA events, I can understand why a lot of players are saying its to help out the top players but its not that simple.

The game is changing for the better and the SPA have to change or go backwards, the money raised from this will help pay towards ALL international sections along with developing the youths etc, how many times have you heard that other countries help pay expenses to their players to attend international events, where as the SPA do not, well its quite simple really, these countries charge £10 membership or even £20 membership fees from their members and have done for years, so now the SPA are starting to do the same and I think it should have done it when we first started in 1979.

We may lose leagues, we will certainly lose players but we have to start this at one point or the other, the same as the Scottish championships had to increase or does it just stay that way forever?

What £5 bought you in 2000 does not buy you the same in 2018, things change ladies and gentleman and the SPA has to change with the times ahead.


So the arguement for change is .............we should have done this years ago? Do the many want to subsidise the few would have been a more honest question. However, its not even a question, its being imposed. The players should be up in arms about this, its not just the fiver, its the democratic process being stripped away to serve the few (the selection process being one). Its the lack of proper financial accountability and the lack of leadership. A good leader can intriduce change but you have to take the members on the journey with you not just accept you will lose folk. If you call the SPA a business then at this point it is not fit for purpose.
 
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: knowledge, 10-07-2018 04:08 PM (#75)

Gerryb wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
geegee1984 wrote:
IM turnouts are dropping
West of Scotland poor Tour growing
East of Scotland pool tour in 1st year

IPA and Supreme Series growing

What is spaís answer
Charge itís members £5.00 hmm


Lets answer a few of your points;

IM turnouts dropping, yes, players choice who has qualified if they wish to attend but entries to the IMs were up, which surprised me.

West of Scotland and all the tours are up and great to see.

IPA growing yes, they run their events for the best players in Europe and the best players pay how much to enter them ?

Surpreme series growing, well since they have only ever ran one event, I would wait to see how they grow in their second year before I would say they are growing, as for charging, they took off over 41000 pounds from the entries /sponsorship to run the series in one club, their own.

As for the the membership fee being asked now from all players who wish to play in SPA events, I can understand why a lot of players are saying its to help out the top players but its not that simple.

The game is changing for the better and the SPA have to change or go backwards, the money raised from this will help pay towards ALL international sections along with developing the youths etc, how many times have you heard that other countries help pay expenses to their players to attend international events, where as the SPA do not, well its quite simple really, these countries charge £10 membership or even £20 membership fees from their members and have done for years, so now the SPA are starting to do the same and I think it should have done it when we first started in 1979.

We may lose leagues, we will certainly lose players but we have to start this at one point or the other, the same as the Scottish championships had to increase or does it just stay that way forever?

What £5 bought you in 2000 does not buy you the same in 2018, things change ladies and gentleman and the SPA has to change with the times ahead.


So the arguement for change is .............we should have done this years ago? Do the many want to subsidise the few would have been a more honest question. However, its not even a question, its being imposed. The players should be up in arms about this, its not just the fiver, its the democratic process being stripped away to serve the few (the selection process being one). Its the lack of proper financial accountability and the lack of leadership. A good leader can intriduce change but you have to take the members on the journey with you not just accept you will lose folk. If you call the SPA a business then at this point it is not fit for purpose.


When the books come out, get a set off your rep, scrutinise them and give us your thoughts. hmm
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: the monkey, 10-07-2018 04:20 PM (#76)

knowledge wrote:
Gerryb wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
geegee1984 wrote:
IM turnouts are dropping
West of Scotland poor Tour growing
East of Scotland pool tour in 1st year

IPA and Supreme Series growing

What is spaís answer
Charge itís members £5.00 hmm


Lets answer a few of your points;

IM turnouts dropping, yes, players choice who has qualified if they wish to attend but entries to the IMs were up, which surprised me.

West of Scotland and all the tours are up and great to see.

IPA growing yes, they run their events for the best players in Europe and the best players pay how much to enter them ?

Surpreme series growing, well since they have only ever ran one event, I would wait to see how they grow in their second year before I would say they are growing, as for charging, they took off over 41000 pounds from the entries /sponsorship to run the series in one club, their own.

As for the the membership fee being asked now from all players who wish to play in SPA events, I can understand why a lot of players are saying its to help out the top players but its not that simple.

The game is changing for the better and the SPA have to change or go backwards, the money raised from this will help pay towards ALL international sections along with developing the youths etc, how many times have you heard that other countries help pay expenses to their players to attend international events, where as the SPA do not, well its quite simple really, these countries charge £10 membership or even £20 membership fees from their members and have done for years, so now the SPA are starting to do the same and I think it should have done it when we first started in 1979.

We may lose leagues, we will certainly lose players but we have to start this at one point or the other, the same as the Scottish championships had to increase or does it just stay that way forever?

What £5 bought you in 2000 does not buy you the same in 2018, things change ladies and gentleman and the SPA has to change with the times ahead.


So the arguement for change is .............we should have done this years ago? Do the many want to subsidise the few would have been a more honest question. However, its not even a question, its being imposed. The players should be up in arms about this, its not just the fiver, its the democratic process being stripped away to serve the few (the selection process being one). Its the lack of proper financial accountability and the lack of leadership. A good leader can intriduce change but you have to take the members on the journey with you not just accept you will lose folk. If you call the SPA a business then at this point it is not fit for purpose.


When the books come out, get a set off your rep, scrutinise them and give us your thoughts. hmm




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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: knowledge, 11-09-2018 05:27 PM (#77)

Just a wee point on this after looking at the accounts on Sunday.

The SPA turnover was just short of £150k last year. Effectively a small company run (however badly) largely by volunteers. It is also largely non-profit. Last year was a profit of about £500.

Our income comes largely from the supers and the money made there is used by us to fund managers for kids and LDs and buy shirts for internationalists and generally try to help the game of pool. (That's what it is in my romantic eyes anyway).

Now back to the profit. £500. We must be approaching 2000 people playing in SPA events now and that's what, about £0.25 per player we end up with in the kitty if we want to do more for the game.

For trying to administer/administrate? an organisation that size.

I don't think £5 is a lot nor do I think it is poor value.
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: wendy, 12-09-2018 03:55 AM (#78)

knowledge wrote:
Gerryb wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
geegee1984 wrote:
IM turnouts are dropping
West of Scotland poor Tour growing
East of Scotland pool tour in 1st year

IPA and Supreme Series growing

What is spaís answer
Charge itís members £5.00 hmm


Lets answer a few of your points;

IM turnouts dropping, yes, players choice who has qualified if they wish to attend but entries to the IMs were up, which surprised me.

West of Scotland and all the tours are up and great to see.

IPA growing yes, they run their events for the best players in Europe and the best players pay how much to enter them ?

Surpreme series growing, well since they have only ever ran one event, I would wait to see how they grow in their second year before I would say they are growing, as for charging, they took off over 41000 pounds from the entries /sponsorship to run the series in one club, their own.

As for the the membership fee being asked now from all players who wish to play in SPA events, I can understand why a lot of players are saying its to help out the top players but its not that simple.

The game is changing for the better and the SPA have to change or go backwards, the money raised from this will help pay towards ALL international sections along with developing the youths etc, how many times have you heard that other countries help pay expenses to their players to attend international events, where as the SPA do not, well its quite simple really, these countries charge £10 membership or even £20 membership fees from their members and have done for years, so now the SPA are starting to do the same and I think it should have done it when we first started in 1979.

We may lose leagues, we will certainly lose players but we have to start this at one point or the other, the same as the Scottish championships had to increase or does it just stay that way forever?

What £5 bought you in 2000 does not buy you the same in 2018, things change ladies and gentleman and the SPA has to change with the times ahead.


So the arguement for change is .............we should have done this years ago? Do the many want to subsidise the few would have been a more honest question. However, its not even a question, its being imposed. The players should be up in arms about this, its not just the fiver, its the democratic process being stripped away to serve the few (the selection process being one). Its the lack of proper financial accountability and the lack of leadership. A good leader can intriduce change but you have to take the members on the journey with you not just accept you will lose folk. If you call the SPA a business then at this point it is not fit for purpose.


When the books come out, get a set off your rep, scrutinise them and give us your thoughts. hmm


I'll get them of you then cause it appears you've been to about the same amount of meetings as me lately lol hmm pray
 
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: knowledge, 12-09-2018 12:20 PM (#79)

wendy wrote:
knowledge wrote:
Gerryb wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
geegee1984 wrote:
IM turnouts are dropping
West of Scotland poor Tour growing
East of Scotland pool tour in 1st year

IPA and Supreme Series growing

What is spaís answer
Charge itís members £5.00 hmm


Lets answer a few of your points;

IM turnouts dropping, yes, players choice who has qualified if they wish to attend but entries to the IMs were up, which surprised me.

West of Scotland and all the tours are up and great to see.

IPA growing yes, they run their events for the best players in Europe and the best players pay how much to enter them ?

Surpreme series growing, well since they have only ever ran one event, I would wait to see how they grow in their second year before I would say they are growing, as for charging, they took off over 41000 pounds from the entries /sponsorship to run the series in one club, their own.

As for the the membership fee being asked now from all players who wish to play in SPA events, I can understand why a lot of players are saying its to help out the top players but its not that simple.

The game is changing for the better and the SPA have to change or go backwards, the money raised from this will help pay towards ALL international sections along with developing the youths etc, how many times have you heard that other countries help pay expenses to their players to attend international events, where as the SPA do not, well its quite simple really, these countries charge £10 membership or even £20 membership fees from their members and have done for years, so now the SPA are starting to do the same and I think it should have done it when we first started in 1979.

We may lose leagues, we will certainly lose players but we have to start this at one point or the other, the same as the Scottish championships had to increase or does it just stay that way forever?

What £5 bought you in 2000 does not buy you the same in 2018, things change ladies and gentleman and the SPA has to change with the times ahead.


So the arguement for change is .............we should have done this years ago? Do the many want to subsidise the few would have been a more honest question. However, its not even a question, its being imposed. The players should be up in arms about this, its not just the fiver, its the democratic process being stripped away to serve the few (the selection process being one). Its the lack of proper financial accountability and the lack of leadership. A good leader can intriduce change but you have to take the members on the journey with you not just accept you will lose folk. If you call the SPA a business then at this point it is not fit for purpose.


When the books come out, get a set off your rep, scrutinise them and give us your thoughts. hmm


I'll get them of you then cause it appears you've been to about the same amount of meetings as me lately lol hmm pray


Never noticed you on Sundayhmm
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RE: £5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: wendy, 12-09-2018 03:29 PM (#80)

knowledge wrote:
wendy wrote:
knowledge wrote:
Gerryb wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
geegee1984 wrote:
IM turnouts are dropping
West of Scotland poor Tour growing
East of Scotland pool tour in 1st year

IPA and Supreme Series growing

What is spaís answer
Charge itís members £5.00 hmm


Lets answer a few of your points;

IM turnouts dropping, yes, players choice who has qualified if they wish to attend but entries to the IMs were up, which surprised me.

West of Scotland and all the tours are up and great to see.

IPA growing yes, they run their events for the best players in Europe and the best players pay how much to enter them ?

Surpreme series growing, well since they have only ever ran one event, I would wait to see how they grow in their second year before I would say they are growing, as for charging, they took off over 41000 pounds from the entries /sponsorship to run the series in one club, their own.

As for the the membership fee being asked now from all players who wish to play in SPA events, I can understand why a lot of players are saying its to help out the top players but its not that simple.

The game is changing for the better and the SPA have to change or go backwards, the money raised from this will help pay towards ALL international sections along with developing the youths etc, how many times have you heard that other countries help pay expenses to their players to attend international events, where as the SPA do not, well its quite simple really, these countries charge £10 membership or even £20 membership fees from their members and have done for years, so now the SPA are starting to do the same and I think it should have done it when we first started in 1979.

We may lose leagues, we will certainly lose players but we have to start this at one point or the other, the same as the Scottish championships had to increase or does it just stay that way forever?

What £5 bought you in 2000 does not buy you the same in 2018, things change ladies and gentleman and the SPA has to change with the times ahead.


So the arguement for change is .............we should have done this years ago? Do the many want to subsidise the few would have been a more honest question. However, its not even a question, its being imposed. The players should be up in arms about this, its not just the fiver, its the democratic process being stripped away to serve the few (the selection process being one). Its the lack of proper financial accountability and the lack of leadership. A good leader can intriduce change but you have to take the members on the journey with you not just accept you will lose folk. If you call the SPA a business then at this point it is not fit for purpose.


When the books come out, get a set off your rep, scrutinise them and give us your thoughts. hmm


I'll get them of you then cause it appears you've been to about the same amount of meetings as me lately lol hmm pray


Never noticed you on Sundayhmm


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