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  Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: geegee1984, 24-02-2020 09:53 AM (#1)

Can anyone advise how you go about getting the drugs policy removed from supers weekends at the AGM?

Do you just turn up on the day and propose it? Can anyone in attendance vote on it or is it per league?

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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: chalmers7, 24-02-2020 10:39 AM (#2)

It would have needed to have been proposed at the last meeting in order for it to be voted on at this AGM. However you can propose it at any meeting and so long as it has the backing it can be voted on at the next meeting which would be classed as an EGM I believe. As it is a fundamental change this may differ though. In terms of voting, each league in attendance has one vote as do the exec committee.
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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: geegee1984, 24-02-2020 10:57 AM (#3)

So with that in mind
Do we have an agenda on whatís being voted on at the AGM?
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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: chalmers7, 24-02-2020 11:20 AM (#4)

There have been minutes produced, I'm sure I seen Wendy post a picture of them last night but I can't see them on here yet.
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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: Blue Jam, 24-02-2020 07:58 PM (#5)

What are the benefits of removing the drugs policy?
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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: bbrogan8, 24-02-2020 08:18 PM (#6)

Itís not done properly for a start. Donít help those affected which is meant to be a requirement for doing it in the first place.
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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: geegee1984, 24-02-2020 11:35 PM (#7)

Itís not fit for purpose
Doesnít act as a deterrent
Offers no proper support to those banned
Itís a pub sport
They donít do it at IMs
Itís not at Pettycurs request
They have no rules in place to confirm what happens to the frames when someone is banned
Theyíve no way of keeping the tests private
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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: bunkle, 25-02-2020 09:17 AM (#8)

geegee1984 wrote:
Itís not fit for purpose
Doesnít act as a deterrent
Offers no proper support to those banned
Itís a pub sport
They donít do it at IMs
Itís not at Pettycurs request
They have no rules in place to confirm what happens to the frames when someone is banned
Theyíve no way of keeping the tests private


Why not propose an ammendment to the policy then?

You have listed reasons, in your opinion, that it is not fit for purpose. What changes would you have, to make it fit for purpose?

The scrapping of the policy would only advocate drug taking, in my opinion. Pub sport or not, there is no place for it.
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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: knowledge, 25-02-2020 12:22 PM (#9)

chalmers7 wrote:
It would have needed to have been proposed at the last meeting in order for it to be voted on at this AGM. However you can propose it at any meeting and so long as it has the backing it can be voted on at the next meeting which would be classed as an EGM I believe. As it is a fundamental change this may differ though. In terms of voting, each league in attendance has one vote as do the exec committee.


I think as the drug policy is an appendice, like the selection policy, it doesn't require an EGM to remove or amend it. If a proposal was made proper procedure would be to cascade the information to the members who could then instruct their reps how to vote at the next meeting.

There is a facility if the exec deem something urgent to vote at the same meeting as the proposal but for something like this I would think the right thing to do would be give all the members the opportunity to communicate with their reps.

This would also prevent any knee jerk reaction and would allow an informed discussion to take place and all the benefits or consequences put forward.
 
Edited by knowledge 25-02-2020 12:23 PM
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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: SoupKing, 25-02-2020 12:35 PM (#10)

bunkle wrote:
geegee1984 wrote:
Itís not fit for purpose
Doesnít act as a deterrent
Offers no proper support to those banned
Itís a pub sport
They donít do it at IMs
Itís not at Pettycurs request
They have no rules in place to confirm what happens to the frames when someone is banned
Theyíve no way of keeping the tests private


Why not propose an ammendment to the policy then?

You have listed reasons, in your opinion, that it is not fit for purpose. What changes would you have, to make it fit for purpose?

The scrapping of the policy would only advocate drug taking, in my opinion. Pub sport or not, there is no place for it.



Your work random drug test people do they? - Most likely not.

Are they then condoning drug taking? - I think not.

IMO its only a matter of time before someone gets a TRUE false positive, which they then follow up and sue the SPA for lots and lots of money because you can SHOOT HOLES in every aspect of how the policy is written and applied. Or GOD FORBID a member spirals down in life after a positive test!

How on earth we cant just suspend MOONMEN from the events based on their behaviour rather than their drug intake is beyond me.
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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: davek75, 25-02-2020 12:43 PM (#11)

For a, weekend just stay off the sniff if you can't go to narcotics anonymous
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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: Blue Jam, 25-02-2020 12:58 PM (#12)

bbrogan8 wrote:
Itís not done properly for a start. Donít help those affected which is meant to be a requirement for doing it in the first place.


Not doing it properly is a reason to improve the way it's done - it's not a reason to remove the policy.

Interesting that the other reason you would like to see it removed is the lack of support for those affected. I wonder if you think SPA has more of a duty of care for people who breach the policy, or the rest of the people attending events, which includes minors?
 
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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: gandalph, 25-02-2020 04:18 PM (#13)

geegee1984 wrote:
Itís not fit for purpose
Doesnít act as a deterrent
Offers no proper support to those banned
Itís a pub sport
They donít do it at IMs
Itís not at Pettycurs request
They have no rules in place to confirm what happens to the frames when someone is banned
Theyíve no way of keeping the tests private


Then become your area rep and go to a meeting and change it for the better
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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: gandalph, 25-02-2020 04:19 PM (#14)

SoupKing wrote:
bunkle wrote:
geegee1984 wrote:
Itís not fit for purpose
Doesnít act as a deterrent
Offers no proper support to those banned
Itís a pub sport
They donít do it at IMs
Itís not at Pettycurs request
They have no rules in place to confirm what happens to the frames when someone is banned
Theyíve no way of keeping the tests private


Why not propose an ammendment to the policy then?

You have listed reasons, in your opinion, that it is not fit for purpose. What changes would you have, to make it fit for purpose?

The scrapping of the policy would only advocate drug taking, in my opinion. Pub sport or not, there is no place for it.



Your work random drug test people do they? - Most likely not.

Are they then condoning drug taking? - I think not.

IMO its only a matter of time before someone gets a TRUE false positive, which they then follow up and sue the SPA for lots and lots of money because you can SHOOT HOLES in every aspect of how the policy is written and applied. Or GOD FORBID a member spirals down in life after a positive test!

How on earth we cant just suspend MOONMEN from the events based on their behaviour rather than their drug intake is beyond me.


My work does do random testing
I can just see the complaints from the moon men being barred hilarious maybe we should start with the dodgy trousers hilarious
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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: sweeper, 26-02-2020 11:41 AM (#15)

Just have a drug taking 11s and see who prevails after a weekend of getting smashed. Cool
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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: bbrogan8, 27-02-2020 07:45 AM (#16)

Blue Jam wrote:
bbrogan8 wrote:
Itís not done properly for a start. Donít help those affected which is meant to be a requirement for doing it in the first place.


Not doing it properly is a reason to improve the way it's done - it's not a reason to remove the policy.

Interesting that the other reason you would like to see it removed is the lack of support for those affected. I wonder if you think SPA has more of a duty of care for people who breach the policy, or the rest of the people attending events, which includes minors?



I canít see anyway that it can get improved to make it adequate, as someone else mentioned if someone was to sue the spa for a false positive they would have zero legal leg to stand on.

I would say they have a duty of care to every single person at the event.
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RE: Removing Drug Policy at AGM
by: Bezberrie, 12-03-2020 05:54 PM (#17)

My issue with the drug testing is this.

Class A drugs such as Cocaine stay in your system for a very short period of time, 1-2 days Iím sure. Cannabis however can stay in your system for weeks upon weeks. Surely itís not fair if someone tests positive for smoking a joint 3 weeks prior to the event? Iím not even sure what is tested for or is it the whole spectrum of recreational drugs.
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