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  Super 15's 2010
by: Mulson, 12-05-2010 11:10 AM (#1)

Is it possible to get some clarification on the details of the A and B events for this years Super 15's. Attempting to look through the old site for all these details became tedious very quickly.

How many teams will be at the A event?

How many teams will be at the B event?

Are last years winners of the 15's guaranteed a team into the A event if it is not full or the B event if it is?

I believe that a motion was passed at a meeting that there would no longer be a ballot to allocate teams to events, instead teams will be allocated on the basis of IM entry levels. Is this correct?
 
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: Woody, 12-05-2010 11:28 AM (#2)

Numbers of teams will not be known till after the meeting where entry fees are paid i would imagine.

Im pretty sure with Glasgow being winners of the last 15s there B team will be in the A team event regardless if there is 32 A teams trying to enter the A event.
 
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: maxi, 12-05-2010 12:02 PM (#3)

Glasgow A are guaranteed entry. Our B team is only guaranteed on the basis that it's not full with A teams so it's not guaranteed.

Yes it was passed that there be no longer a ballot but be based on IM entries.

So if there are 30 A teams enter, then Glasgow would have a B team first as holders and then Falkirk would be next as the largest IM entry, etc etc etc
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: Mulson, 12-05-2010 12:56 PM (#4)

OK cheers.

Woody, I suppose what I was actually trying to ask is there expected limits on the number of teams entered to each event due to accomodation/format.

I would imagine there will be about 32 A teams at CT for the A event although I would imagine there would be enough accomodation for more.

However I cannot imagine there being much more than 24 B teams at Pettycur?

It seems to me like we may end up oversubscribed to get the required number of teams a place at either event.
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: gandalph, 12-05-2010 04:01 PM (#5)

maxi wrote:
Glasgow A are guaranteed entry. Our B team is only guaranteed on the basis that it's not full with A teams so it's not guaranteed.

Yes it was passed that there be no longer a ballot but be based on IM entries.

So if there are 30 A teams enter, then Glasgow would have a B team first as holders and then Falkirk would be next as the largest IM entry, etc etc etc


is that for both A and B events?
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: maxi, 12-05-2010 04:14 PM (#6)

Yes, I believe so. But it won't prevent areas getting an A team in before bigger areas B teams.

What I mean is if the A event is full, and someone like Dunfermline didn't get their b team in due to their low IM entries then they will still be guaranteed into the B event while it's only B teams there, their B team would miss out due to somewhere like Falkirk having a C team in it.
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: Triple xXx, 12-05-2010 07:48 PM (#7)

im sure a few A teams that in a word are mince would rather a crack at the B event,, makes more sense, ther is potential that a cple of B teams are better than some As n wen a B team is to good they cant play in B event wer does that leave those players????

in the case of the counties with not to bad B teams, y not go th A1 A2 route as it is an A event,
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: maxi, 13-05-2010 09:56 AM (#8)

If there are any B teams out there who have category A players in their squad then that is the areas fault for obviously not picking their teams well.

Yes, there will be some B teams better than some A teams, but Craig Tara is the Superleague 15's and is open to EVERY area to send their A teams first.

Areas should not miss out on the event because other areas have better teams.
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: gandalph, 13-05-2010 10:47 AM (#9)

maxi wrote:
Yes, I believe so. But it won't prevent areas getting an A team in before bigger areas B teams.

What I mean is if the A event is full, and someone like Dunfermline didn't get their b team in due to their low IM entries then they will still be guaranteed into the B event while it's only B teams there, their B team would miss out due to somewhere like Falkirk having a C team in it.


thought the ruling was the B1 teams get first priority then B2 etc for the B event
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: maxi, 13-05-2010 11:48 AM (#10)

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maxi wrote:
Yes, I believe so. But it won't prevent areas getting an A team in before bigger areas B teams.

What I mean is if the A event is full, and someone like Dunfermline didn't get their b team in due to their low IM entries then they will still be guaranteed into the B event while it's only B teams there, their B team would miss out due to somewhere like Falkirk having a C team in it.


thought the ruling was the B1 teams get first priority then B2 etc for the B event


Is that not what I have said George?

Although I was differentiating between the teams by using A, B, C rather than A, B, B1, B2 etc
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: Triple xXx, 13-05-2010 01:36 PM (#11)

what im saying maxi is for instance the b team we had at the 11s, me, vinny, shades, tiger ect wouldnt be allowed at pet bay so if we arent picked say in the A then we wont get to play at all,

n also id bet a few of the really poor superleague teams that have only 1 team would maybe prefer a crack at the B event wer they might get sum results
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: maxi, 13-05-2010 02:06 PM (#12)

Triple xXx wrote:
what im saying maxi is for instance the b team we had at the 11s, me, vinny, shades, tiger ect wouldnt be allowed at pet bay so if we arent picked say in the A then we wont get to play at all,

n also id bet a few of the really poor superleague teams that have only 1 team would maybe prefer a crack at the B event wer they might get sum results


If you were all in a B team and you didn't get into Craig Tara with Glasgow having the first B team available you WOULD be allowed to play at Pettycur bay.

The only players Ross stated couldn't attend Pettycur bay were Category A players.
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: FlyingScotsman, 13-05-2010 04:37 PM (#13)

I see both sides of this but the main one should always be that everyleague no matter what size must have their place in the A events.

Some leagues don't have that many players, some don't have the talent of other leagues but the SPA should always remember that these events are what the SPA are all about, you cannot call yourself the best in Super 15/11 team of the SPA if you do not allow all leagues to put their teams in.

It was not that long ago that areas only had the A event to play in, with that in mind some large leagues really lost out, now they can sometimes get 2/3 B teams in but that will change in the future as more leagues join and want to play in these events.

I think the TC should meet and put all the options that can be done for these team events on the table, then take these proposals to the SPA meetings so that the reps can see if we can then do something for everyone, so to speak.
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: gandalph, 14-05-2010 12:50 PM (#14)

I agree with you in principal Ross but do you think its right that a new league gets the chance to walk straight into the super's at craig tara (A event) when you have had areas that have supported the SPA for years. Yes all (current) areas should have first option on the A event but surely we need some sort of system for new areas. After all if a new team comes into a league set up which has more than one division they dont automatically go into the top division, that right has to be earned.
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: maxi, 14-05-2010 12:53 PM (#15)

Yes, but they are not kept out the top divisional by Rangers B, Rangers B1 etc etc
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: knowledge, 14-05-2010 01:30 PM (#16)

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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: gandalph, 14-05-2010 02:39 PM (#17)

maxi wrote:
Yes, but they are not kept out the top divisional by Rangers B, Rangers B1 etc etc


but new teams in glasgow league are kept out of the top division by B teams Pfft
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: Triple xXx, 14-05-2010 06:28 PM (#18)

well maxi the monklands team that won the be event from what i heard from ther players they wouldnt be allowed that team in that event again as they wer to strong,, n no A cats in ther team??????????
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: maxi, 14-05-2010 06:52 PM (#19)

The monklands team at the previous event was stronger than the team that won it with Billy Stirling and a few others in it. And there is no way that Monklands team which won it would be banned from attending. But the reason they were too strong was the fact most areas with strong B teams had theirs at Craig Tara so most teams there were third string teams.

But that was the SPAs fault for allowing teams to pick and choose where to go rather than putting their foot down.
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RE: Super 15's 2010
by: scooby, 16-06-2010 03:39 PM (#20)

how many affiliated leagues are there at the moment?
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