Thread subject: The Scottish Pool Association :: Riley's £10000 amateur event

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 02-07-2011 10:29
#1

Just heard through the grapevine that Riley's will be doing a £10000 event soon.

Full details for the event and who can play in it will be announced shortly.

What I can tell you is that no class A SPA player will be allowed to enter.

Posted by jontee18 on 02-07-2011 16:10
#2

Is this blackball Ross?

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 02-07-2011 18:16
#3

No it will not be BB.

Posted by Steed Snr on 03-07-2011 00:49
#4

FlyingScotsman wrote:
No it will not be BB.
Ross how are the SPA guys going to qualify for this if its not BB rules

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 03-07-2011 10:38
#5

SPA members will play to BB rules in Scotland but the finals will be in England and they will use Riley's own rules there.


Posted by FlyingScotsman on 06-07-2011 19:35
#6

I just saw a post on the Aberdeen pool website from Derek saying that the Riley's event will be played to WRs.

He also says that he will take a bet on that, well Derek I will take that bet, the Riley's event at the Finals will be played to Riley's rules, the regional and area qualifiers will be played to the rules of that area, ie WR in Aberdeen and BB in Dunfermline.

My bet to you Derek is only a £100 but if you want more then just post on the site I and will take as much as you want.

Edited by FlyingScotsman on 06-07-2011 19:36

Posted by lumie on 06-07-2011 20:25
#7

At the risk of appearing widden.........what the bejesus is Rileys rules Ross?

Posted by knowledge on 06-07-2011 20:26
#8

My guess is Rileys rules is a set of rules that will allow anyone to play in this anywhere without getting banned.

Posted by lumie on 06-07-2011 20:32
#9

Thanks knowledge........in that case i think such a set of rules could catch on

Posted by mini hartson on 06-07-2011 20:43
#10

from rileys newport FB page when asked what rileys rules are for this tourny

It's being played to "Rileys' rules" in order to avoid any bias and from previous events people seem to like them. I believe that they are similar to Blackball but with a nominated skill shot but I'm not 100%. They will be clarified soon though and have been designed to give little advantage to any rule set.

Posted by Meaty on 06-07-2011 21:03
#11

the rules are a cross between those already played and they have simply taken the best from them to form their own

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 06-07-2011 21:34
#12

lumie wrote:
At the risk of appearing widden.........what the bejesus is Rileys rules Ross?


LOL.

This is not the first time Riley's have done pool events with big prize money, they did one a few years ago.

They are a business and will be looking to get every pool player to get involved, except for the top players who they wish to keep out.

Riley's will allow everyone from their own area/country to play their own set of rules at the first two stages, then at the finals in England they will bring in their own set so that everyone is equal, these rules I am soory , I do not know but will be along the lines of WRs and BB which are both open rules.

Looking at the dates they are doing this it does not really clash with major events in the SPA calander so get in there boys and girls and try and qualify for the finals, I hope, because I cannot remember who qualified from Scotland the last time, will come on here and inform you all how he finals went for them in Liverpool.

Edited by FlyingScotsman on 06-07-2011 21:36

Posted by diego on 06-07-2011 21:39
#13

FlyingScotsman wrote:
lumie wrote:
At the risk of appearing widden.........what the bejesus is Rileys rules Ross?


LOL.

This is not the first time Riley's have done pool events with big prize money, they did one a few years ago.

They are a business and will be looking to get every pool player to get involved, except for the top players who they wish to keep out.

Riley's will allow everyone from their own area/country to play their own set of rules at the first two stages, then at the finals in England they will bring in their own set so that everyone is equal, these rules I am soory , I do not know but will be along the lines of WRs and BB which are both open rules.

Looking at the dates they are doing this it does not really clash with major events in the SPA calander so get in there boys and girls and try and qualify for the finals, I hope, because I cannot remember who qualified from Scotland the last time, will come on here and inform you all how he finals went for them in Liverpool.
it was me ross the rules were shocking

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 06-07-2011 21:43
#14

The more I think of it Riley's would not want to have their own set of rules but what other choice do they have other than do their own if they want as many players to play in their event.

In Scotland we have the SEPF they have a lot of players who play WR so Riley's would want them in it and of course the SPA have the vast majority of pool players in Scotland.

If you look at England they are even worst than us about 30% of their leagues play WRs 10/15% play BB but the biggest majority play the old EPA rules which take forever, so they can't use them.

Wales is more like us with the majority playing BB in fact very few leagues in Wales play WRs if any but some still play different rules.

If only they would see sense and get us all under one body playing one set of rules more companies like Riley's would not have to get their own set and more sponsorship would come in.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 06-07-2011 21:44
#15

diego wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
lumie wrote:
At the risk of appearing widden.........what the bejesus is Rileys rules Ross?


LOL.

This is not the first time Riley's have done pool events with big prize money, they did one a few years ago.

They are a business and will be looking to get every pool player to get involved, except for the top players who they wish to keep out.

Riley's will allow everyone from their own area/country to play their own set of rules at the first two stages, then at the finals in England they will bring in their own set so that everyone is equal, these rules I am soory , I do not know but will be along the lines of WRs and BB which are both open rules.

Looking at the dates they are doing this it does not really clash with major events in the SPA calander so get in there boys and girls and try and qualify for the finals, I hope, because I cannot remember who qualified from Scotland the last time, will come on here and inform you all how he finals went for them in Liverpool.
it was me ross the rules were shocking


Thanks Paul can you remember the rules you played at the finals?

What was wrong with them?

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 06-07-2011 21:51
#16

FlyingScotsman wrote:
I just saw a post on the Aberdeen pool website from Derek saying that the Riley's event will be played to WRs.

He also says that he will take a bet on that, well Derek I will take that bet, the Riley's event at the Finals will be played to Riley's rules, the regional and area qualifiers will be played to the rules of that area, ie WR in Aberdeen and BB in Dunfermline.

My bet to you Derek is only a £100 but if you want more then just post on the site I and will take as much as you want.


Now I posted this a few hours ago and I know that the Aberdeen boys look at the SPA site on a daily basis, I am going up to Aberdeen tomorrow to see the Snooker Legends can someone please ask Derek if he wants my bet or is he all mouth.

Derek, Riley's cannot go with one set of rules if like any business they want players from all over to play in their event, I don't want to take your money but when someone throws it at you, well I would be a fool not to take it.

Take a £50 bet if £100 is to much?

Posted by lumie on 06-07-2011 21:52
#17

FlyingScotsman wrote:
The more I think of it Riley's would not want to have their own set of rules but what other choice do they have other than do their own if they want as many players to play in their event.

In Scotland we have the SEPF they have a lot of players who play WR so Riley's would want them in it and of course the SPA have the vast majority of pool players in Scotland.

If you look at England they are even worst than us about 30% of their leagues play WRs 10/15% play BB but the biggest majority play the old EPA rules which take forever, so they can't use them.

Wales is more like us with the majority playing BB in fact very few leagues in Wales play WRs if any but some still play different rules.

If only they would see sense and get us all under one body playing one set of rules more companies like Riley's would not have to get their own set and more sponsorship would come in.

This was a party political broadcast by the Mcinness partysmsoap

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 06-07-2011 23:05
#18

CANT BE IN THE TOP 64 IN THE CURRENT RANKINGS OF YOUR CUE SPORT......

CANT HAVE REPRESENTED YOUR COUNTRY IN THE LAST 3 YEARS AT ANY LEVEL.....EXCEPTION OF LADIES.

CANT HAVE WON ANY WORLD/EUROPEAN/MAJOR TITLES IN YOUR CUE SPORT IN THE LAST 3 YEARS......

There are loads more in the Rules and Regulations but these were the ones that I thought stood out....

p.s. soz about the caps before hand

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 06-07-2011 23:10
#19

Enter the Rileys UK English Pool Masters for a chance to 'pocket' big money

Rileys has launched the UK English Pool Masters, an English Pool competition for amateur players with an impressive £10,000 prize fund up for grabs.

This event, which promises to be one of the biggest and best competitions this year, will be held in all 115 Rileys Sports bars across the UK and is open to any amateur player.

Local qualifiers will run 16 September to 3 October across the UK, going on to the Regional Finals on 15 October before the National Final on 12 November. First prize will be £2,500 with a runner up prize of £1,250

Maurice Kelly, CEO of Rileys says: "The UK English Pool Masters is a huge tournament for the amateur player, someone has the chance to walk away with £2,500 for winning the tournament, but even those getting into the last 16 will get £250 each. English Pool is a very popular pastime, it's an easy game to enjoy with your mates over a few drinks so we're expecting some good nights down at Rileys with this competition!"

Posted by diego on 06-07-2011 23:29
#20

FlyingScotsman wrote:
diego wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
lumie wrote:
At the risk of appearing widden.........what the bejesus is Rileys rules Ross?


LOL.

This is not the first time Riley's have done pool events with big prize money, they did one a few years ago.

They are a business and will be looking to get every pool player to get involved, except for the top players who they wish to keep out.

Riley's will allow everyone from their own area/country to play their own set of rules at the first two stages, then at the finals in England they will bring in their own set so that everyone is equal, these rules I am soory , I do not know but will be along the lines of WRs and BB which are both open rules.

Looking at the dates they are doing this it does not really clash with major events in the SPA calander so get in there boys and girls and try and qualify for the finals, I hope, because I cannot remember who qualified from Scotland the last time, will come on here and inform you all how he finals went for them in Liverpool.
it was me ross the rules were shocking


Thanks Paul can you remember the rules you played at the finals?

What was wrong with them?
i remember 2 shots carry and i think it was breaker nominates.i beat a guy called ronnie boyle in last 32 then lost to andrew corton who won it.well run event and good venue i would advise all to enter this

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 06-07-2011 23:36
#21

winner £2,500
R/Up £1,250
semi's £625
Quarters £350
last 16 £250

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 06-07-2011 23:38
#22

Local qualifiers 16th sept - 3rd oct

Regional finals 15th oct

National final 12th Nov

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 06-07-2011 23:46
#23

1. Each match will consist of the best of
11 frames.

2. Player Exclusions: The UK English Pool Masters
is aimed at genuine amateur players. You will
not be eligible to enter if you are a current cue
sport professional or have been in the last three
years. If you have represented any country
internationally and at any level (excluding ladies)
during the same three year period. If you have
won any National, World or European titles in
any cue sport discipline in the last three years.

Posted by vinnyvegas on 07-07-2011 01:39
#24

me,davie riggins,slack and wullie biggam where a team that went to liverpool...
the rules were a mixture of wr and bb rules thrown together..
was a good tourney..
only thing i would say is unless you get the rules and practice them b4 going to play in the finals they will catch you out big time..if i remember correctly the english teams all played to rileys rules in the qualifiers so were used to them,which gave them a massive advantage..

Posted by mini hartson on 07-07-2011 09:25
#25

JASONVOORHEES wrote:
CANT BE IN THE TOP 64 IN THE CURRENT RANKINGS OF YOUR CUE SPORT......

CANT HAVE REPRESENTED YOUR COUNTRY IN THE LAST 3 YEARS AT ANY LEVEL.....EXCEPTION OF LADIES.

CANT HAVE WON ANY WORLD/EUROPEAN/MAJOR TITLES IN YOUR CUE SPORT IN THE LAST 3 YEARS......



i'm assuming LD internationals can play in this if the woman are ?

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 07-07-2011 12:17
#26

If you have represented any country
internationally and at any level (excluding ladies)
during the same three year period.

you can contact rileys and ask them Mini

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 07-07-2011 12:29
#27

JASONVOORHEES wrote:
If you have represented any country
internationally and at any level (excluding ladies)
during the same three year period.

you can contact rileys and ask them Mini


John I don't really think that will be the case, I cannot confirm until Riley's reply to my e mail but I have asked certain questions regarding Internationals.

The SPA sends 130/150 players each year to Bridlington, the teams change each year so that couild come to somewhere in the 300 hundred bracket of SPA players not allowed to play, going by the 3 years.

I do not belive that Riley are trying to stop these players from playing in the event, I believe that it is only the top players from each country that they are not wanting to play but until that is confirmed I cannot be sure.



Internationals A only will not be allowed to play in this event.
LDs yes
Ladies yes,except major winners Scottish Europen World Champions.
Any Scottish European or World Champion from the following mens ladies seniors under 23s and under 21s are not allowed in this comp.

Lastly any SPA player on the A list.

No there may be some players who are not on this list and Riley's may inform them that rthey cannot play in this event but the main ones that cannot have been listed above.

Edited by FlyingScotsman on 12-07-2011 14:38

Posted by Claire on 07-07-2011 18:50
#28

I suspect that's probably the case too Ross but not 100%. Its very difficult to make black & white though, I can see it needing overall scrutiny by delegates from each country or something lol!

Posted by furrybeast on 07-07-2011 19:47
#29

Can it be expected that the policy regarding playing BB rules only will be waived for this event?

I'll give you an example -

Player A from Aberdeen meets player B from Glasgow at a REGIONAL qualifier held in SCOTLAND. One will want to play BB rules, one will want to play WR - under the terms of the competition, if the 2 players cannot agree they MUST play "Rileys rules"

Answers on postcard please

Edited by furrybeast on 07-07-2011 19:47

Posted by Pat Holtz on 07-07-2011 23:15
#30

You've got to love the title of the event.......UK Pool MASTERS.......

but.....

no good players allowed in it!

Priceless smhilarious

Posted by buzzbomb on 08-07-2011 00:30
#31

Pat Holtz wrote:
You've got to love the title of the event.......UK Pool MASTERS.......

but.....

no good players allowed in it!

Priceless smhilarious


Is that not the way most tournaments are going now mate.

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 08-07-2011 19:43
#32

FlyingScotsman wrote:
JASONVOORHEES wrote:
If you have represented any country
internationally and at any level (excluding ladies)
during the same three year period.

you can contact rileys and ask them Mini


John I don't really think that will be the case, I cannot confirm until Riley's reply to my e mail but I have asked certain questions regarding Internationals.

THIS ARE THE CASE ROSS....ITS IN THEIR TERMS AND CONS FROM THE EMAIL THAT I GOT FROM RILEYS

The SPA sends 130/150 players each year to Bridlington, the teams change each year so that couild come to somewhere in the 300 hundred bracket of SPA players not allowed to play, going by the 3 years.

I do not belive that Riley are trying to stop these players from playing in the event, I believe that it is only the top players from each country that they are not wanting to play but until that is confirmed I cannot be sure.

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 08-07-2011 19:47
#33

Pat Holtz wrote:
You've got to love the title of the event.......UK Pool MASTERS.......

but.....

no good players allowed in it!

Priceless smhilarious


The UK English Pool Masters

Belter Patrick

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 08-07-2011 19:49
#34

furrybeast wrote:
Can it be expected that the policy regarding playing BB rules only will be waived for this event?

I'll give you an example -

Player A from Aberdeen meets player B from Glasgow at a REGIONAL qualifier held in SCOTLAND. One will want to play BB rules, one will want to play WR - under the terms of the competition, if the 2 players cannot agree they MUST play "Rileys rules"

Answers on postcard please


Aberdeen in the Strathclyde Region?????
smhmm

Posted by mini hartson on 08-07-2011 20:01
#35

JASONVOORHEES wrote:
furrybeast wrote:
Can it be expected that the policy regarding playing BB rules only will be waived for this event?

I'll give you an example -

Player A from Aberdeen meets player B from Glasgow at a REGIONAL qualifier held in SCOTLAND. One will want to play BB rules, one will want to play WR - under the terms of the competition, if the 2 players cannot agree they MUST play "Rileys rules"

Answers on postcard please


Aberdeen in the Strathclyde Region?????
smhmm


BUT will say strathclyde as a whole (there mistake)

COMES UNDER as following i think

SCOTLAND & NI (might not bring the 2 together)
NORTH REGION
CENTRAL & EAST REGION
WALES & WEST REGION
SOUTH WEST REGION
LONDON & SOUTH EAST REGION

because Scotland is small we become 1 big region or bring NI and Scotland together usually

Edited by mini hartson on 08-07-2011 20:01

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 09-07-2011 07:49
#36

Strathclyde Region

Glasgow, Renfrewshire, East Renfrewshire, Inverclyde, North Lanarkshire, South Lanarkshire, Argyll and Bute, East Dunbartonshire, West Dunbartonshire, North Ayrshire, South Ayrshire, and East Ayrshire

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 09-07-2011 07:54
#37

1. Each match will consist of the best of
11 frames.

2. Player Exclusions: The UK English Pool Masters
is aimed at genuine amateur players. You will
not be eligible to enter if you are a current cue
sport professional or have been in the last three
years. If you have represented any country
internationally and at any level (excluding ladies)
during the same three year period. If you have
won any National, World or European titles in
any cue sport discipline in the last three years.
If by the closing date of Sept 9th you are in the
top 64 of either the IPA Tour or the IPA Strachan
Tour. If in Scotland by the same closing date
you are recognised as a category A player.

3. Closing date for receipt of entries is 9th
September 2011.

4. Rileys reserve the right to refuse or cancel any
entry at any stage throughout the competition.
To apply general rules of EP in all games
decided by them. To set dress and appearance
standards for all rounds, or at promotional
nights as arranged by the organizers or the
offi cial sponsors. To provide patches bearing
the championship or sponsors logo for the
specifi c purpose of being worn by the players
at all rounds and at any other stages of the
championships. To address any eventuality
not directly covered in the rules and deal
with entirely at their own discretion. To limit
social activities, other than EP matches, while
competing in any round. To disqualify a player
or players for any unsporting behaviour which
is likely to cause upset or distraction to an
opponent, act as arbiters in the case of a
dispute and to apply a decision which will be
absolutely final.

RILEYS DECISION IS FINAL IN ALL MATTERS
APPERTAINING TO THE CHAMPIONSHIPS.

5. Details are available at rileys.co.uk/rileys/rules.

6. By participating in the event, players will be
deemed to have accepted the rules of the
championships and to have accepted the
absolute jurisdiction of the organisers.

7. If you have any questions regarding
this competition please email
enquiries@rileys.co.uk. If any players do not
complete their local qualifying matches within
the required time frame then both run the risk
of being disqualified.

8. Online payment terms are covered by our
standard terms and conditions which can be
found here: http://www.rileys.co.uk/rileys/
termsandconditions.aspx. By agreeing to the
specifi c terms for this tournament, you also
confi rm you have read and agreed to our online
booking terms.

Posted by mini hartson on 09-07-2011 10:25
#38

lmao........so LD's are the same standard of level as goobs,renzie,bossman. surely not lol........we're awesome yeah but not the same

surely the LD's can enter smconfused

Posted by furrybeast on 09-07-2011 12:05
#39

furrybeast wrote:
Can it be expected that the policy regarding playing BB rules only will be waived for this event?

I'll give you an example -

Player A from Aberdeen meets player B from Glasgow at a REGIONAL qualifier held in SCOTLAND. One will want to play BB rules, one will want to play WR - under the terms of the competition, if the 2 players cannot agree they MUST play "Rileys rules"

Answers on postcard please


Right lets forget about the regional stage as some can't seem to grasp where I'm coming from!

I'm guessing Rileys Inverness will be holding a LOCAL qualifier. There will be a mixture of WR and BB players entering this. Obviously neither will want to play the others rules, so they will HAVE to play "Rileys rules"

WILL THE SPA PLAYERS BE PERMITTED TO DO THIS?

Posted by Macleod00 on 09-07-2011 12:23
#40

I would think that, under the letter or the law (that I can't seem to find on here), that they would not be able to play.

The really sad thing is that the BB players in Inverness will probably be scaremongered out of competing for fear of being being banished from SPA events and local league singles/doubles comps.

Maybe this is an opportunity to look again at the bigger picture and how the banning policy affects certain SPA league members' ability to compete in great tournaments on their doorstep.

Posted by furrybeast on 09-07-2011 12:27
#41

Presumably one-off cases like this can be looked at, and dispensation given by the SPA committee, if agreed at a meeting?

Posted by Steed Snr on 09-07-2011 12:33
#42

SPA members can only play comps in scotland with BB rules only.

Posted by Steed Snr on 09-07-2011 12:47
#43

Macleod00 wrote:
I would think that, under the letter or the law (that I can't seem to find on here), that they would not be able to play.

The really sad thing is that the BB players in Inverness will probably be scaremongered out of competing for fear of being being banished from SPA events and local league singles/doubles comps.

Maybe this is an opportunity to look again at the bigger picture and how the banning policy affects certain SPA league members' ability to compete in great tournaments on their doorstep.
Two comps one for BB players and one for the WR guys.

Posted by furrybeast on 09-07-2011 12:50
#44

Steed Snr wrote:
SPA members can only play comps in scotland with BB rules only.


Ach well, if that's the case, this entire thread might as well be deleted, as no SPA member will be able to play in it.

Pity, sounds like a good comp smbye

Edited by furrybeast on 09-07-2011 12:54

Posted by furrybeast on 09-07-2011 12:53
#45

Steed Snr wrote:
Macleod00 wrote:
I would think that, under the letter or the law (that I can't seem to find on here), that they would not be able to play.

The really sad thing is that the BB players in Inverness will probably be scaremongered out of competing for fear of being being banished from SPA events and local league singles/doubles comps.

Maybe this is an opportunity to look again at the bigger picture and how the banning policy affects certain SPA league members' ability to compete in great tournaments on their doorstep.
Two comps one for BB players and one for the WR guys.


You can't separate players in an open completion at the qualifying stage - or any stage for that matter.

Posted by Steed Snr on 09-07-2011 13:12
#46

Rubbish, Howard will give you x amount final places for x amount of entrants and ask you to run it any way you like.

Posted by furrybeast on 09-07-2011 13:23
#47

What if there's only one qualifying place?

What if there's 30 WR entries, and only one BB entry?

What if Rileys say "stuff you!" when they discover that your players are effectively banned from playing in one of their events - despite sponsoring the SPA

All these what-if's can be negated by the members voting to allow their players to play Riley's rules in, what is after all, a one-off competition with no "threat" to the SPA in any way, shape or form.

Posted by delboy on 09-07-2011 15:52
#48

seen as Howard Miller is the newest member of this site maybe he could come on and clarify on this thread who can and cannot play in this, i dont think they have thought this through as there are also kids through out the uk playing at u16 and u18 kids as young as 10 who have played for there country in the last 3 years, spend there money in there clubs weekly and cannot play in thuis cause they have played for there country, seems rileys could shoot themselfs in the foot with this one.

would be good if you could clarify this for us Howard

Thanks

Posted by knowledge on 09-07-2011 22:33
#49

Aiming a genuine amateur players. Who could be a more genuine amateur that a person who HAS SPENT THEIR OWN MONEY year in and year out to represent their nation with no hope of return?

Is there any chance of just seeing Rileys for what they are and driving them out of our game please?

Posted by Sh88ters Aberdeen on 10-07-2011 00:26
#50

knowledge wrote:
Aiming a genuine amateur players. Who could be a more genuine amateur that a person who HAS SPENT THEIR OWN MONEY year in and year out to represent their nation with no hope of return?

Is there any chance of just seeing Rileys for what they are and driving them out of our game please?


I'm with you here matey..
A BIG company that has done nothing really for the game apart from milk what they can from Joe Public.
The smaller independants truly support our game and are the way forward.
Obviously myself in Aberdeen, I hear very good things about Daz at Hustlers in Rosyth and i'm sure there are many more out there...

Tables and drink at a decent price and supporting the players and development rather than milking them for what they can get !!


Oooops, I think mr Miller might have a quote now... lol

Posted by davy2shots on 10-07-2011 12:20
#51

Rileys Rules.

http://www.rileys...htBallPool

?

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 10-07-2011 17:32
#52

knowledge wrote:
Aiming a genuine amateur players. Who could be a more genuine amateur that a person who HAS SPENT THEIR OWN MONEY year in and year out to represent their nation with no hope of return?

What about the Patrons Spending their hard earned money in the Riley clubs they visit day in day out John???
This thread isnt about the SPA its a RILEYS EVENT for People that play in Rileys and are Members of Rileys clubs, Ross put this up for people that may have or not have heard of the event, to give us a chance to enter it.


Is there any chance of just seeing Rileys for what they are and driving them out of our game please?


How often do you play in a Rileys Venue John?

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 10-07-2011 17:38
#53

[quote]Sh88ters Aberdeen wrote:


A BIG company that has done nothing really for the game apart from milk what they can from Joe Public.


Where else can you get 7 days of snooker or pool for just £12?

Also national Snooker 25th - 29th july FREE SNOOKER the whole week....

and on Monday nights after 6pm FREE 9 Ball....


smhmm

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 10-07-2011 17:49
#54

Steed Snr wrote:
SPA members can only play comps in scotland with BB rules only.


With so many competitions out there nowadays the SPA may need to look at this rule one day,
I am entering the Rileys Comp, I don't care what the rules are, for £10 its worth a go, if I get banned from spa for a year or 2 or 3 then thats fine, theres always Davies and Shufflers and Maxi's events to keep me occupied and the Coatbridge League.
However this is a Rileys Event, its not another POOL ASSOCIATION COMPETITION, hence the reason Ross has put this post up to begin with.

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 10-07-2011 18:00
#55

delboy wrote:
seen as Howard Miller is the newest member of this site maybe he could come on and clarify on this thread who can and cannot play in this, i dont think they have thought this through as there are also kids through out the uk playing at u16 and u18 kids as young as 10 who have played for there country in the last 3 years, spend there money in there clubs weekly and cannot play in thuis cause they have played for there country, seems rileys could shoot themselfs in the foot with this one.

would be good if you could clarify this for us Howard

Thanks


I have already clarified the rules Del for everyone taken from the Rileys web site....

rileys.co.uk

why dont you go and check them out for yourself!!!!!

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 10-07-2011 18:06
#56

davy2shots wrote:
Rileys Rules.

http://www.rileys...htBallPool

?


it looks like the old rules....I loved them....No combi's.....loss of frame rule for non attempt to hit a ball, this is a great rule, stops players trying to hit a a dead ball and being forced to pot the one over the pocket. ball doesnt need to hit a cushion either Quality, the fudge rules.
:)

Posted by furrybeast on 10-07-2011 19:19
#57

You need to scroll up to "English eightball rules", I think you're reading the rules for the American tables.

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 10-07-2011 19:47
#58

English 8 Ball Pool – The Official Rules

The game is played on a rectangular 6-pocket table with 15 balls (7 yellows, 7 reds and a black 8 ball.)

To win, a player or team must pocket all their group of object balls in any order, and then legally pocket the 8 ball.

To determine who has the right to break, both players will lag to determine who gets that advantage. (To lag, both players simultaneously play a ball up the table from anywhere behind the baulk line, with the intention of stopping it as close to the baulk cushion as possible. The person whose ball is deemed closest to the baulk cushion chooses if they wish to break or not.)

The game begins by the first player breaking the balls. To be deemed a legal break, 4 balls have to hit a cushion. The break will also be deemed a "fair break" if at least one colour is potted.

Following the break shot, regardless of whether a player has potted a ball or not, the person breaking will nominate their choice of balls. If the player breaking pots a combination of balls, for instance a red and a yellow, they can simply nominate which ball set they wish to play. Further, if one red is potted, they can if they so choose, nominate yellows without having to pot.

If a player fouls from the break, the right to nominate will be lost. This advantage will then pass to the opponent, who will receive two shots, the first of which will be a free table (NB: Note two ‘shots’ and not two “visits”. This is the only time in the frame where two shots do not carry following a foul.) With the first shot, the player can then play or pot whichever ball they wish (the exception being that one cannot pot the black) following which they then nominate their preferred set.

If one fouls on the break by not driving four balls onto cushions, the oncoming player has the choice to play the balls as they lay or to have them re-racked. If they take the latter option, they themselves must perform a legal break, following which they will then nominate their preferred set.

The game is completed when the 8 ball (black) is pocketed legally in any pocket, and all the remaining balls have come to rest, except on the break. If the black is potted off the break, one re-racks the balls without penalty.

Posted by delboy on 10-07-2011 23:47
#59

JASONVOORHEES wrote:
delboy wrote:
seen as Howard Miller is the newest member of this site maybe he could come on and clarify on this thread who can and cannot play in this, i dont think they have thought this through as there are also kids through out the uk playing at u16 and u18 kids as young as 10 who have played for there country in the last 3 years, spend there money in there clubs weekly and cannot play in thuis cause they have played for there country, seems rileys could shoot themselfs in the foot with this one.

would be good if you could clarify this for us Howard

Thanks


I have already clarified the rules Del for everyone taken from the Rileys web site....

rileys.co.uk

why dont you go and check them out for yourself!!!!!


is this the section below you are refering to tiger?

if so then yes it will exclude all u16 and u18's if this is correct as it states amature players and internationals in the last 3 years. so this means that you could go into it yet a kid about 12, 13, 14, 15 year old cant? and you would most likley have 10 times there experiance and ability. it does say genuine amature players and i thought an amature player is someone who is basically not paid to play or earn a living from there sport off choice. yet readinfg the bottom of the paragraph below it mentions cat A in scotland, is this the only exclusion in scotland or do the other exclusions as well as the cat A's also come into it?

2. Player Exclusions: The UK English Pool Masters
is aimed at genuine amateur players. You will
not be eligible to enter if you are a current cue
sport professional or have been in the last three
years. If you have represented any country
internationally and at any level (excluding ladies)
during the same three year period. If you have
won any National, World or European titles in
any cue sport discipline in the last three years.
If by the closing date of Sept 9th you are in the
top 64 of either the IPA Tour or the IPA Strachan
Tour. If in Scotland by the same closing date
you are recognised as a category A player.

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 11-07-2011 00:08
#60

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is this the section below you are refering to tiger?

i thought an amature player is someone who is basically not paid to play or earn a living from there sport off choice.

so what your saying is WERE all amats????

because NO ONE gets Paid to play or EARN a living playing Pool in Scotland.....theres NOT enough money to begin with in the small game......

Hence the reason Maxi & Paul are pushing Jayson for 9ball

Goobsy #1 in Scotland for last 6 years has a job, pool earnings is Pocket money for the Top Players in scotland Del.

Posted by delboy on 11-07-2011 06:52
#61

basically yes tiger, bit they would be exclude as there cat A anyways if only the cat ruling applied in Scotland

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 11:35
#62

knowledge wrote:
My guess is Rileys rules is a set of rules that will allow anyone to play in this anywhere without getting banned.


With the politics that are currently in the game at the moment, lets be honest have been in the game and almost killing the game for over 20 years, we felt we had little choice but when running our own events, and only our own events to use our own set of rules. A set as you suggest dont cheese people off, but more importantly dont cheese the various associatons off

It is not judst you guys in Scotland either whose opinions we have to consider, its those in Wales and in England, and its very hard to come up with a solution or even idea that would please all....impossible in fact

In Scotland BB rules are the most popular, arguab;y the same in Wales, whilst in England the majoroty of leagues play OLD EPA rues or a NO SWEARING!!ised version of. Compound further by the best players within the EPA (the card holders) all pretty much stuck on WR

We are not sayingextra rules are a good thing. We accpet that most certainly, with any level playing fiedl it would be the last thing we would want to do, but if we wish to encourage local league players to enter this from all parts of the UK this, as the last event proved appears to work, with players whilst not being totally happy to compete with rules not of their choice admit that they are fine

They are basic and easy to understand and do no more than serve the cause

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 11:39
#63

FlyingScotsman wrote:
lumie wrote:
At the risk of appearing widden.........what the bejesus is Rileys rules Ross?


LOL.

This is not the first time Riley's have done pool events with big prize money, they did one a few years ago.

They are a business and will be looking to get every pool player to get involved, except for the top players who they wish to keep out.

Riley's will allow everyone from their own area/country to play their own set of rules at the first two stages, then at the finals in England they will bring in their own set so that everyone is equal, these rules I am soory , I do not know but will be along the lines of WRs and BB which are both open rules.

Looking at the dates they are doing this it does not really clash with major events in the SPA calander so get in there boys and girls and try and qualify for the finals, I hope, because I cannot remember who qualified from Scotland the last time, will come on here and inform you all how he finals went for them in Liverpool.


Thats actually two comments I would ask people to at last accept. These rules are just for our events. When we have sponsored events by the SPA and or the SEPF we would never dream of asking or remotely suggestimng that they should ever play rules other than those they normally play, it would be insulting to do so, not to mention I know what the answer would be

We also checked all diaries (as I always do) before planning the event to ensure that it doesn't clash. Not to do would be equally damaging to the event

Posted by furrybeast on 11-07-2011 11:45
#64

Still no answer as to what happens when an SPA player comes up against an SEPF player at either local or regional stages.

As it stands the SPA player cannot play Rileys rules. This HAS to be cleared up before the SPA players have to green light to enter.

It makes not a jot of difference to me - my entry is in already, but hope this event is a big success for Rileys.

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 12:04
#65

FlyingScotsman wrote:
The more I think of it Riley's would not want to have their own set of rules but what other choice do they have other than do their own if they want as many players to play in their event.

In Scotland we have the SEPF they have a lot of players who play WR so Riley's would want them in it and of course the SPA have the vast majority of pool players in Scotland.

If you look at England they are even worst than us about 30% of their leagues play WRs 10/15% play BB but the biggest majority play the old EPA rules which take forever, so they can't use them.

Wales is more like us with the majority playing BB in fact very few leagues in Wales play WRs if any but some still play different rules.

If only they would see sense and get us all under one body playing one set of rules more companies like Riley's would not have to get their own set and more sponsorship would come in.


Again Spot on. As suggested earlier there is no way we would want to almost be forced into playing another set of rules, on the face of it . it's madness. However with everyone still arguing with each other as vitriolicly today, as they were 25 years ago and worse, lets be honest with no solution really in sight, what can we do, what can anyone do?

Forgetting which rules you play and it is obvious and understanding that the majority of people reading this will lean heavily if not almost exclusively to BB rules, if for a minute you can take that preference out of the equation, and try instead to perhaps ask yourself this.

If you were running a UK event and wanted to attract as many entries as you could, what rules would be the best to play?

Looking at ther percentages Ross sugests, which after a huge survey of some 400 leagues plus a few years ago I know to be very accurate, they highlight the extent of the problem we all have.

Not just us at Rileys but for you guys, the players, for Ross, for the SPA, SEPF, WEPF, division is everywhere and worse its largely, through one channel or another its a self imposed one

In Scotland where the most popular rules are indeed BB(maybe 40 leagues, certainly heading that way anyway)
I am told, hopefully without beimng unfair, that the SEPF have maybe 10/12 leagues playing to WR but by that very admittance it will then leave best side of 40/50 leagues throughout Scotland that play to neither.
Playing instead to probably to a whole range of local and specialised rule sets and again this isn't my problem or your problem its everyones bloody problem, and without asking anyone to agree I am hopeful that at least you will try and understand that

If you go south where well over 50% of leagues play a NO SWEARING!!ised version of the old EPA rules it gets worse, as the number of leagues we are talking about probably quadruples.

In England as Ross suggests, 10, maybe 15% od leagues play BB, (in Wales this would probably be doubled again) but if one takes it as "UK" average as opposed to a national overviewit is probably unarguable that of all the pool leagues organised less than 20% either BB or WR and the rest play local favourites

That shows just how deep pools problems go. Stop for a second and you will see just how scary that is!

Look if anyone doesn't like the idea of playing the chosen rules in this event, which will happen, then, even though you would have just the same chance as any other player, then there is nothing I can do and obviously you wont be entering

Hopefully though you will understand who its run for and why and if eligible go for it

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 12:08
#66

vinnyvegas wrote:
me,davie riggins,slack and wullie biggam where a team that went to liverpool...
the rules were a mixture of wr and bb rules thrown together..
was a good tourney..
only thing i would say is unless you get the rules and practice them b4 going to play in the finals they will catch you out big time..if i remember correctly the english teams all played to rileys rules in the qualifiers so were used to them,which gave them a massive advantage..


Thtas actually not true Vinny. If we know an area or a region plays one set of rulkes specifically, then as long as 'ALL' players at those regionals agree they can play those rules.

But your right most did, not to give them any advantage purely because so many players had so many different versions

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 12:13
#67

FlyingScotsman wrote:
JASONVOORHEES wrote:
If you have represented any country
internationally and at any level (excluding ladies)
during the same three year period.

you can contact rileys and ask them Mini


John I don't really think that will be the case, I cannot confirm until Riley's reply to my e mail but I have asked certain questions regarding Internationals.

The SPA sends 130/150 players each year to Bridlington, the teams change each year so that couild come to somewhere in the 300 hundred bracket of SPA players not allowed to play, going by the 3 years.

I do not belive that Riley are trying to stop these players from playing in the event, I believe that it is only the top players from each country that they are not wanting to play but until that is confirmed I cannot be sure.


On reflection this rule was badly written, as it was not intended to exclude any players other than those 'current' elite and in my mind that was International A players

Not decrying the endeavours and passion shown by B team players when at the larger events but they were not meant to be included, and 'WILL NOT BE INCLUDED' and I will amend the details on our T&C's

National, World and or Europesan Champions will still be excluded though

Posted by Weesteed on 11-07-2011 12:16
#68

Can I play in this then> I haven't played mens international for 3 years now.

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 11-07-2011 12:21
#69

howard miller wrote:


National, World and or Europesan Champions will still be excluded though


does this include CURRENT Scotland B1 Team then? who are the current world champs.

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 12:25
#70

Pat Holtz wrote:
You've got to love the title of the event.......UK Pool MASTERS.......

but.....

no good players allowed in it!

Priceless smhilarious


Sorry Holtzy, you and I have had many conversations on this in the past, you will not change your vies, nor I mine.

This is an amateur only event and such excluding top players, and the last time I looked that title did indeed still apply to you sir is because by doing so we believe it gives the good players-those that by anyone definition wouldn't be called super stars- to have for one of the rare times a great and genuine chance of glory

Nots saying its right, its simplya qualifying rule, like exclududing someone thats 49 from an over 50's event, a 22 year old from an U21's event, an amateur from a professional event or mens from a ladies event

I also think you are being way patronising when you say no good players are allowed in it either.

Sorry if this response is going to court arguement, after knowing for you for what 25 years I hope not, but such words, especially coming from one so illiustruious is the one of the resasons the rule is there

Top players believe as a generlisation that everything should be done for them simply on that premise. I dont.
I feel were it not to be for the Mr and Mrs average that fill up so many events, take Jersey and Catalonia just as two examples then there wouldn't be an event for the best players to win in the first place

The best players win every top event, bar none, but they wont be winning this one mate. However a good player will even though according to you mate, none are allowed to enter

Will just have to agree to disagree on this one I guess

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 11-07-2011 12:26
#71

Weesteed wrote:
Can I play in this then> I haven't played mens international for 3 years now.


your still Cat A Champ....

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 12:27
#72

furrybeast wrote:
Can it be expected that the policy regarding playing BB rules only will be waived for this event?

I'll give you an example -

Player A from Aberdeen meets player B from Glasgow at a REGIONAL qualifier held in SCOTLAND. One will want to play BB rules, one will want to play WR - under the terms of the competition, if the 2 players cannot agree they MUST play "Rileys rules"

Answers on postcard please


George, thats exactly what will happen and why as your example proves it is, whilst not imposible, its almost impossible to play an event like this without upsetting some players

Sigh.................................smbugs

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 12:28
#73

furrybeast wrote:
furrybeast wrote:
Can it be expected that the policy regarding playing BB rules only will be waived for this event?

I'll give you an example -

Player A from Aberdeen meets player B from Glasgow at a REGIONAL qualifier held in SCOTLAND. One will want to play BB rules, one will want to play WR - under the terms of the competition, if the 2 players cannot agree they MUST play "Rileys rules"

Answers on postcard please


Right lets forget about the regional stage as some can't seem to grasp where I'm coming from!

I'm guessing Rileys Inverness will be holding a LOCAL qualifier. There will be a mixture of WR and BB players entering this. Obviously neither will want to play the others rules, so they will HAVE to play "Rileys rules"

WILL THE SPA PLAYERS BE PERMITTED TO DO THIS?


Yes and Yes

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 11-07-2011 12:33
#74

I think your doing a GREAT job Howard, and to come on here answering all these Questions is Fantastic.

smclap

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 12:34
#75

Macleod00 wrote:
I would think that, under the letter or the law (that I can't seem to find on here), that they would not be able to play.

The really sad thing is that the BB players in Inverness will probably be scaremongered out of competing for fear of being being banished from SPA events and local league singles/doubles comps.

Maybe this is an opportunity to look again at the bigger picture and how the banning policy affects certain SPA league members' ability to compete in great tournaments on their doorstep.


This is not an SPA event, SEPF, WR event, WEPF event, WPA event, a CCI event a bloody BBC event and MBE event it is but a simple bloody pool tournament with a decent wedge in prize money

Inspite of what some people might try and claim it is not run in conjunction with any other body or organsation, it is not promoting the ideals, policies or rules of anyone else, we have been forced into this, which by now hopefully many will begin to understand because of this political nonsense and no-one as I understand from either camp riskes any punishment if enetering

If there is please let me know on howard.miller@rileys.co.uk and we will them take a view on it"!

Jesus, where is my nearest floating tank of isoltaion?smsoap

Posted by Sh88ters Aberdeen on 11-07-2011 12:36
#76

JASONVOORHEES wrote:
I think your doing a GREAT job Howard, and to come on here answering all these Questions is Fantastic.

smclap


Wise up min.
He is doing his job and drumming up business in a tough economic time...

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 12:37
#77

furrybeast wrote:
Steed Snr wrote:
SPA members can only play comps in scotland with BB rules only.


Ach well, if that's the case, this entire thread might as well be deleted, as no SPA member will be able to play in it.

Pity, sounds like a good comp smbye


If that is the rule and I cant believe it is, certainly not the intention of the rule as Ross has told me many times SPA players are free to enter pretty much what they wish (other thamn internationals opposing world or Eurpean events etc) and most certainly not in the context of this event.

Ross can you phone me on this one pleasae?

Posted by furrybeast on 11-07-2011 12:41
#78

howard miller wrote:
furrybeast wrote:
furrybeast wrote:
Can it be expected that the policy regarding playing BB rules only will be waived for this event?

I'll give you an example -

Player A from Aberdeen meets player B from Glasgow at a REGIONAL qualifier held in SCOTLAND. One will want to play BB rules, one will want to play WR - under the terms of the competition, if the 2 players cannot agree they MUST play "Rileys rules"

Answers on postcard please


Right lets forget about the regional stage as some can't seem to grasp where I'm coming from!

I'm guessing Rileys Inverness will be holding a LOCAL qualifier. There will be a mixture of WR and BB players entering this. Obviously neither will want to play the others rules, so they will HAVE to play "Rileys rules"

WILL THE SPA PLAYERS BE PERMITTED TO DO THIS?


Yes and Yes


I'm afraid that answer needs to come from the SPA exec. As it stands, any SPA player who plays ANY rules apart from BB in Scotland faces a ban. Hence my question.

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 12:44
#79

delboy wrote:
seen as Howard Miller is the newest member of this site maybe he could come on and clarify on this thread who can and cannot play in this, i dont think they have thought this through as there are also kids through out the uk playing at u16 and u18 kids as young as 10 who have played for there country in the last 3 years, spend there money in there clubs weekly and cannot play in thuis cause they have played for there country, seems rileys could shoot themselfs in the foot with this one.

would be good if you could clarify this for us Howard

Thanks


I thought 'we thought of most issues' to be fair.

Have answered this previously for you and others Del now, (let me know if there is anything specific you want an answer too mate) and minimum age limit will be 14 years of age as long as all are accompained by a responsible adult or parent

You are also right mate we might be if not shhoting our foot, certainly nibbling at the little toe by preventing champions entering, but at 17, 19, and 21 I can not but helpo think the best players in those categories are as every bit as good as those we have excluded and pool is littered with such players

Take young Jayson. Tommy Donlon, Micky Lambert to name but a few. I also am not sure if it lies comofrtable with me tyo actually encourage mass entry from the kids yet. We would much prefer as we have done twice now, to organise the search for the new Ronnie, wehre the winner not only is given a £5 grant, but gets time, mentoring and coaching form the great man

Again not saying we are ight just the mimdset we have on the two. Other will obviously have their own take on such things

Posted by Weesteed on 11-07-2011 12:49
#80

JASONVOORHEES wrote:
Weesteed wrote:
Can I play in this then> I haven't played mens international for 3 years now.


your still Cat A Champ....


It doesn't state in the T&C's that Scotland Cat 'A' can't enter, that is just Mr McInnes that has said that.

Posted by Macleod00 on 11-07-2011 12:51
#81

howard miller wrote:
Macleod00 wrote:
I would think that, under the letter or the law (that I can't seem to find on here), that they would not be able to play.

The really sad thing is that the BB players in Inverness will probably be scaremongered out of competing for fear of being being banished from SPA events and local league singles/doubles comps.

Maybe this is an opportunity to look again at the bigger picture and how the banning policy affects certain SPA league members' ability to compete in great tournaments on their doorstep.


This is not an SPA event, SEPF, WR event, WEPF event, WPA event, a CCI event a bloody BBC event and MBE event it is but a simple bloody pool tournament with a decent wedge in prize money

Inspite of what some people might try and claim it is not run in conjunction with any other body or organsation, it is not promoting the ideals, policies or rules of anyone else, we have been forced into this, which by now hopefully many will begin to understand because of this political nonsense and no-one as I understand from either camp riskes any punishment if enetering

If there is please let me know on howard.miller@rileys.co.uk and we will them take a view on it"!

Jesus, where is my nearest floating tank of isoltaion?smsoap


Please dont get upset bud.

Let me explain. Rileys inverness is a venue used by both SPA and SEPF players. The SPA has a banning policy which means that they are not allowed to play comps to any other rules other than BB. So, if there is a local qualifier at that venue and two players from different organisations are drawn together there will be an issue. The issue will be that if the players cannot agree on a ruleset to play and rileys rules are used then the banning policy will come into effect.

Unless it is being dropped to accomodate this tournament. If so, it would be a cracking precedent to set and hopefully the way forward to binning this embarrassing rule.

Edited by Macleod00 on 11-07-2011 13:00

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 11-07-2011 13:03
#82

Weesteed wrote:
JASONVOORHEES wrote:
Weesteed wrote:
Can I play in this then> I haven't played mens international for 3 years now.


your still Cat A Champ....


It doesn't state in the T&C's that Scotland Cat 'A' can't enter, that is just Mr McInnes that has said that.


Mr McInnes, first time you have ever called me that, feel old now.

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 13:13
#83

Sh88ters Aberdeen wrote:
knowledge wrote:
Aiming a genuine amateur players. Who could be a more genuine amateur that a person who HAS SPENT THEIR OWN MONEY year in and year out to represent their nation with no hope of return?

Is there any chance of just seeing Rileys for what they are and driving them out of our game please?


I'm with you here matey..
A BIG company that has done nothing really for the game apart from milk what they can from Joe Public.
The smaller independants truly support our game and are the way forward.
Obviously myself in Aberdeen, I hear very good things about Daz at Hustlers in Rosyth and i'm sure there are many more out there...

Tables and drink at a decent price and supporting the players and development rather than milking them for what they can get !!


Oooops, I think mr Miller might have a quote now... lol


I have just been told who eaxctly you are my friend, and why coincidentally or not it appears you are popping up all over the shop to berate us as a company, what we do, why, when and the like.

However if you feel by doing so or it is by your design. that you can drive me to retalitaion in any manner, then I am afraid you are wrong Sir

'Milking Joe Public for what we can get' ...... 'Not doing anything for the game'

You are certainly very cutting with your words and your ciriticism slips easy from your eloquent finger tapping. and if thats what you honestly believe, then so be it. Nothing I am likely to say or Rileys can do will ever change that

As I have said frequently before, at times both Rileys and I can be a very easy targets especially for people like you hiding behind a computer. It becomes even easier when as a small club owner those same computers allow us to push whatever favourite agenda we have

But now I know who you are sir, and understand now why probably you are saying what you are, and no doubt simaltaneouslu revelling in such spurious statements that I wont be responding to you further

Obviously that will cause you no real concern and please fel free to criticise further, I am sure you will sir

Posted by DAWG on 11-07-2011 14:08
#84

I reckon if the Riley's in your local areas are run by proper pool folk then the pool players will benefit, same as darts etc etc.

It's when you let dummies with no clue and a greed for themselves run the show that it becomes a bit of a joke!!!

I have played in som egreat Riley's clubs where they can't do enough for you (Aberdeen for one) but have also been to some where the are total winkers who make multiple demands from you before you can hit a ball!!!!!

Andy is entitled to his opinion and has been around pool long enough to make one I believe so dinnae get so Windy Miller!!! :)

Posted by Brianj on 11-07-2011 14:22
#85

Went to Riley's in Inverness at the last IM there, they are charging 8 quid an hour for pool. Hardly promoting the game at those prices.

Edited by Brianj on 11-07-2011 14:23

Posted by Sh88ters Aberdeen on 11-07-2011 14:31
#86

Brianj wrote:
Went to Riley's in Inverness at the last IM there, they are charging 8 quid an hour for pool. Hardly promoting the game at those prices.


Exactly matey, one of my points above.. And also probably well over 3 quid a pint/ bottle !!

Posted by Tam Newall on 11-07-2011 14:46
#87

Totally agree with you there Ross ! If people want to run tournaments good luck to them if they make some cash out it? The Top players generally get into the cash but for the rest its sometimes just gettin a few decent results and a good day out . If players are not happy with paying a 10r for a prize fund of ten grand their never gonna be happy smhelpless

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 11-07-2011 15:05
#88

Weesteed wrote:
JASONVOORHEES wrote:
Weesteed wrote:
Can I play in this then> I haven't played mens international for 3 years now.


your still Cat A Champ....


It doesn't state in the T&C's that Scotland Cat 'A' can't enter, that is just Mr McInnes that has said that.


IT states ate the Bottom steed.....if in Scotland Cat A....
smhmm

Posted by CuePedro on 11-07-2011 15:18
#89

JASONVOORHEES wrote:
Weesteed wrote:
JASONVOORHEES wrote:
Weesteed wrote:
Can I play in this then> I haven't played mens international for 3 years now.


your still Cat A Champ....


It doesn't state in the T&C's that Scotland Cat 'A' can't enter, that is just Mr McInnes that has said that.


IT states ate the Bottom steed.....if in Scotland Cat A....
smhmm


T&Cs Paragraph 2 .........

Player Exclusions: The UK English Pool Masters is aimed at genuine amateur players. You will not be eligible to enter if you are a current cue
sport professional or have been in the last three years. If you have represented any country internationally and at any level (excluding ladies)
during the same three year period. If you have won any National, World or European titles in any cue sport discipline in the last three years.
If by the closing date of Sept 9th you are in the top 64 of either the IPA Tour or the IPA Strachan Tour. If in Scotland by the same closing date
you are recognised as a category A player.

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 16:07
#90

DAWG wrote:
I reckon if the Riley's in your local areas are run by proper pool folk then the pool players will benefit, same as darts etc etc.

It's when you let dummies with no clue and a greed for themselves run the show that it becomes a bit of a joke!!!

I have played in som egreat Riley's clubs where they can't do enough for you (Aberdeen for one) but have also been to some where the are total winkers who make multiple demands from you before you can hit a ball!!!!!

Andy is entitled to his opinion and has been around pool long enough to make one I believe so dinnae get so Windy Miller!!! :)

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 16:13
#91

howard miller wrote:
DAWG wrote:
I reckon if the Riley's in your local areas are run by proper pool folk then the pool players will benefit, same as darts etc etc.

It's when you let dummies with no clue and a greed for themselves run the show that it becomes a bit of a joke!!!

I have played in som egreat Riley's clubs where they can't do enough for you (Aberdeen for one) but have also been to some where the are total winkers who make multiple demands from you before you can hit a ball!!!!!

Andy is entitled to his opinion and has been around pool long enough to make one I believe so dinnae get so Windy Miller!!! :)


Absolutely atree with you Sir, that everyone is entitled to have an opinion and in the main should be allowed to state and indeed share it

My gripe comes when the reasons behind those opinions are fuelled by other far more personal and vested reasons and the fact that some can sit safe in the knowledge knowing that they are not likely to encounter equal comments back, and in my position, regardless of the temptation I can not and will not say what perhaps I should!

By the way do they still call Millers Windy up there? Haven't heard that for many a year...good deal worse though,mindsmblush

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 16:20
#92

Brianj wrote:
Went to Riley's in Inverness at the last IM there, they are charging 8 quid an hour for pool. Hardly promoting the game at those prices.


Am not going to go into unit details, as this is a thread about our Singles Pool event but for the record...

Yeah you are right the 'rack rate'at Inverness is £8.00 an hour, or one can choose if so wishes which you probably forgot to mention, to pay £17.00 I think it is, play all day then come back in the days for the rest of the week including Saturdays and Sundays and play for nothing

Unless one puts it into context, whilst accurate, not quite the same impact. I also think it costs £17.00 to play all night as well, which in then case of Inverness means that people can play from 5.00pm to midnight for what, fractinally over £2.00 an hour?

I dont think its that bad actually. Pint of pouring lager is £2.95, unless of course you a team member when that then becomes £2.40. Maybe its because I am southern softie but that seems really cheap tombe honest

Posted by Meaty on 11-07-2011 16:21
#93

Brianj wrote:
Went to Riley's in Inverness at the last IM there, they are charging 8 quid an hour for pool. Hardly promoting the game at those prices.




Where else can you get 7 days of snooker or pool for just £12?

Also national Snooker 25th - 29th july FREE SNOOKER the whole week....

and on Monday nights after 6pm FREE 9 Ball....

And surely since you were playing your I.M's the tables were free anyway...??

Posted by Brianj on 11-07-2011 16:26
#94

howard miller wrote:
Brianj wrote:
Went to Riley's in Inverness at the last IM there, they are charging 8 quid an hour for pool. Hardly promoting the game at those prices.


Am not going to go into unit details, as this is a thread about our Singles Pool event but for the record...

Yeah you are right the 'rack rate'at Inverness is £8.00 an hour, or one can choose if so wishes which you probably forgot to mention, to pay £17.00 I think it is, play all day then come back in the days for the rest of the week including Saturdays and Sundays and play for nothing

Unless one puts it into context, whilst accurate, not quite the same impact. I also think it costs £17.00 to play all night as well, which in then case of Inverness means that people can play from 5.00pm to midnight for what, fractinally over £2.00 an hour?

I dont think its that bad actually. Pint of pouring lager is £2.95, unless of course you a team member when that then becomes £2.40. Maybe its because I am southern softie but that seems really cheap tombe honest




Thanks for the information mate, I will keep this in mind when in Inverness for the Scottish Doubles.

I certainly wasnt saying anything for 'impact' just giving my genuine experience at Riley's in Inverness.

One wee thing. Wouldn't it be a good idea if the staff had told us what you just have? it is not as if it was busy, it was virtually dead, I'm sure I would have paid the 17.

Maybe these rates were advertised somewhere, but none of us saw them.

Thanx again for the info, will certainly keep it in mind for October.

Posted by Brianj on 11-07-2011 16:31
#95

Meaty wrote:
Brianj wrote:
Went to Riley's in Inverness at the last IM there, they are charging 8 quid an hour for pool. Hardly promoting the game at those prices.




Where else can you get 7 days of snooker or pool for just £12?

Also national Snooker 25th - 29th july FREE SNOOKER the whole week....

and on Monday nights after 6pm FREE 9 Ball....

And surely since you were playing your I.M's the tables were free anyway...??



The IMs were in the Chieftain Hotel.

Posted by delboy on 11-07-2011 17:10
#96

howard miller wrote:
delboy wrote:
seen as Howard Miller is the newest member of this site maybe he could come on and clarify on this thread who can and cannot play in this, i dont think they have thought this through as there are also kids through out the uk playing at u16 and u18 kids as young as 10 who have played for there country in the last 3 years, spend there money in there clubs weekly and cannot play in thuis cause they have played for there country, seems rileys could shoot themselfs in the foot with this one.

would be good if you could clarify this for us Howard

Thanks


I thought 'we thought of most issues' to be fair.

Have answered this previously for you and others Del now, (let me know if there is anything specific you want an answer too mate) and minimum age limit will be 14 years of age as long as all are accompained by a responsible adult or parent

You are also right mate we might be if not shhoting our foot, certainly nibbling at the little toe by preventing champions entering, but at 17, 19, and 21 I can not but helpo think the best players in those categories are as every bit as good as those we have excluded and pool is littered with such players

Take young Jayson. Tommy Donlon, Micky Lambert to name but a few. I also am not sure if it lies comofrtable with me tyo actually encourage mass entry from the kids yet. We would much prefer as we have done twice now, to organise the search for the new Ronnie, wehre the winner not only is given a £5 grant, but gets time, mentoring and coaching form the great man

Again not saying we are ight just the mimdset we have on the two. Other will obviously have their own take on such things


cheers Howard for coming on and awnsering all the questions that have been asked of you on this thread smclap

Posted by Steed Snr on 11-07-2011 19:42
#97

howard miller wrote:
furrybeast wrote:
furrybeast wrote:
Can it be expected that the policy regarding playing BB rules only will be waived for this event?

I'll give you an example -

Player A from Aberdeen meets player B from Glasgow at a REGIONAL qualifier held in SCOTLAND. One will want to play BB rules, one will want to play WR - under the terms of the competition, if the 2 players cannot agree they MUST play "Rileys rules"

Answers on postcard please


Right lets forget about the regional stage as some can't seem to grasp where I'm coming from!

I'm guessing Rileys Inverness will be holding a LOCAL qualifier. There will be a mixture of WR and BB players entering this. Obviously neither will want to play the others rules, so they will HAVE to play "Rileys rules"

WILL THE SPA PLAYERS BE PERMITTED TO DO THIS?


Yes and Yes
And who told you this

Edited by Steed Snr on 11-07-2011 19:44

Posted by alligator on 11-07-2011 20:17
#98

If the SPA membership have a disscusion on this and this
idea is approved by the reps then and only then would this
be allowed.

Sounds like common sense to me though and would be ashame
if grassroots players were barred froming playing in a great
tournament because of this conflict.

Posted by Pat Holtz on 11-07-2011 21:12
#99

I thought changing the choice policy was an AGM motion and not a general meeting?

I'm pretty sure it is part of the constitution......

Edited by Pat Holtz on 11-07-2011 21:17

Posted by Pat Holtz on 11-07-2011 21:16
#100

Oh and H, I wasn't having a go at the event for "genuine amatuer only players", I was having a giraffe at your made up title calling it the UK EP Masters lol

I'm sure an intelligent guy like yourself can see the ironic side of where I'm coming from. ;)

Lighten up old fella. :P

Posted by mini hartson on 11-07-2011 21:27
#101

Pat Holtz wrote:
I thought changing the choice policy was an AGM motion and not a general meeting?

I'm pretty sure it is part of the constitution......


has the constitution been redone yet?

Posted by mini hartson on 11-07-2011 21:27
#102

Pat Holtz wrote:
I thought changing the choice policy was an AGM motion and not a general meeting?

I'm pretty sure it is part of the constitution......


has the constitution been redone yet?

Posted by furrybeast on 11-07-2011 22:56
#103

alligator wrote:
If the SPA membership have a disscusion on this and this
idea is approved by the reps then and only then would this
be allowed.

Sounds like common sense to me though and would be ashame
if grassroots players were barred froming playing in a great
tournament because of this conflict.


Why not use the reps email distribution list to ask the question? I'd be very surprised if any of them objected smhelpless

Posted by Macleod00 on 11-07-2011 23:28
#104

furrybeast wrote:
alligator wrote:
If the SPA membership have a disscusion on this and this
idea is approved by the reps then and only then would this
be allowed.

Sounds like common sense to me though and would be ashame
if grassroots players were barred froming playing in a great
tournament because of this conflict.


Why not use the reps email distribution list to ask the question? I'd be very surprised if any of them objected smhelpless


Who decides when it is appropriate for the SPA membership (via reps) to be asked about situations like this? Is it the SPA executive?

If so, what criteria must an event meet in order to qualify as one worthy of consideration by the SPA executive in this way?

Posted by howard miller on 11-07-2011 23:58
#105

Pat Holtz wrote:
Oh and H, I wasn't having a go at the event for "genuine amatuer only players", I was having a giraffe at your made up title calling it the UK EP Masters lol

I'm sure an intelligent guy like yourself can see the ironic side of where I'm coming from. ;)

Lighten up old fella. :P


Not so much of the old Patrick, irony is lost on me mate, ypou should know that, I actually think is a cracking title...having a giraffe eh, obviously been spending too much time south of the border matesmcomfort

Posted by howard miller on 12-07-2011 00:10
#106

Macleod00 wrote:
furrybeast wrote:
alligator wrote:
If the SPA membership have a disscusion on this and this
idea is approved by the reps then and only then would this
be allowed.

Sounds like common sense to me though and would be ashame
if grassroots players were barred froming playing in a great
tournament because of this conflict.


Why not use the reps email distribution list to ask the question? I'd be very surprised if any of them objected smhelpless


Who decides when it is appropriate for the SPA membership (via reps) to be asked about situations like this? Is it the SPA executive?

If so, what criteria must an event meet in order to qualify as one worthy of consideration by the SPA executive in this way?


I didn't know this was a rule, especially as I dont remember it being any kind of a problem three years ago, when I am now assured that ruling was also in existence

Its certainly not up to me to ask or even remotely suggest to the SPA that they even consider reviewing this rule, not for me, not for Rileys nor for the benfit of this event. If this is was the members democratically decided on then even though i find it weird I totally accept it

I say weird becuase to me surely it was brought in to safeguard, certainly off set the interests of their WR neighbours and not for events of this nature. This I would understand, this I get, as I would were the roles reversed, and if the rule as appears likely stays, if nothing else it will make me completely re-think everything

Posted by maxi on 12-07-2011 08:35
#107

This was never an issue a few years ago because Rileys gave the SPA x amount of places at the finals so ALL qualifiers were ran by the SPA using BB rules.

The choice policy cannot be dropped to accommodate one event.

And as Pat has already stated this can only be changed at an AGM or EGM.
.

Posted by furrybeast on 12-07-2011 09:02
#108

Call an EGM then! - the only people potentially losing out here are the SPA "grassroots" members, and one of your principal sponsors.

It isn't European statute your voting on - just a pool comp!

Edited by furrybeast on 12-07-2011 09:04

Posted by Macleod00 on 12-07-2011 09:12
#109

Absolutely appropriate to call an EGM. It would be awful if players in the North, irrespective of organisation, are ripped off AGAIN because of the banning rule.

If provision is not made for players in the north to compete in this it will reenforce the uncomfortable truth, discussed in previous threads on IM2 and the 2 doubles comps, that the SPA is a central belt organisation.

Posted by howard miller on 12-07-2011 09:36
#110

maxi wrote:
This was never an issue a few years ago because Rileys gave the SPA x amount of places at the finals so ALL qualifiers were ran by the SPA using BB rules.

The choice policy cannot be dropped to accommodate one event.

And as Pat has already stated this can only be changed at an AGM or EGM.
.


Hi Maxi, how are you Sir?

Look whilst I am not saying it could or will, can I say before this possibly gets out of hand or at best even causes more political unrest and arguement which god forbid is the last thing we ever wanted to bloody do, we are not asking the SPA to change anything.

Dont get me wrong, Maxi and I am not being glib here, would it make things easier for everyone if the rule wasn't in place..evidently it would, but it is what it is, and nothing we can do wil change that.

Only a ruling at an EGM can

That is not what we are about at all and we refuse for obvious reasons to get ourselves involved with all this politics anymore than we would if it were WR having that rule, but boy is it hard at times not to get caught up in it all?

We just want people to play pool and rather than upset anyone or any association I am currently working on some kind of glasnostic compromise just to get over these problems

.....right where I have put my anadins?

Posted by howard miller on 12-07-2011 09:48
#111

Macleod00 wrote:
Absolutely appropriate to call an EGM. It would be awful if players in the North, irrespective of organisation, are ripped off AGAIN because of the banning rule.

If provision is not made for players in the north to compete in this it will reenforce the uncomfortable truth, discussed in previous threads on IM2 and the 2 doubles comps, that the SPA is a central belt organisation.


Am not asking you what rules you play or prefer Mac, and am most certainly not going to get involved in your last comment, other than if I may say that in Ross and Mick M, who I have known seemingly all my adult life there are two of my friends who I trust totally and implicitly.
But hey that was transgressing a bit, what I am really interested in and perhaps you could help me here is where you define 'Players in the North?'

I obviously appreciate that in the Granite City, WR traditionally has always been by far the most popular rules played. I totally accept that, but is your 'North comment' refering to Aberdeen or geographically beyond that?
Were you talking Inverness fopr example Mac, where I am told, even though there are some great players who do play WR the leagues and therefore presumably the majority of the players affiliate to BB?

Further more, if that is the case and if I understand things correctly, with the rules as they current;y stand and of which the SPA players presumably voted on, then that might well prevent BB players entering this event for fear of being excluded from other BB events in the future?

I just need to try and get my head very firmly around the pros and cons, if only to try and possibly find a workable solution that will at least appease the majority

I need to lie down!:|

Edited by howard miller on 12-07-2011 09:51

Posted by Macleod00 on 12-07-2011 10:08
#112

howard miller wrote:
Macleod00 wrote:
Absolutely appropriate to call an EGM. It would be awful if players in the North, irrespective of organisation, are ripped off AGAIN because of the banning rule.

If provision is not made for players in the north to compete in this it will reenforce the uncomfortable truth, discussed in previous threads on IM2 and the 2 doubles comps, that the SPA is a central belt organisation.


Am not asking you what rules you play or prefer Mac, and am most certainly not going to get involved in your last comment, other than if I may say in Ross and Mick M, who I have known seemingly all my adult life there are two of my friends who I trust toally and implicitly. But hey that was transgressing a bit, what I am really interested in and perhaps you could help me here is where you define 'Players in the North?'

Hi howard, i play in both the Inverness league (SPA) and the Elgin league (SEPF) so therefore play and enjoy both rulesets thoroughly. When i say 'ripped off' i mean that i our geographical area we could realistically have regular 96 player tournaments for big money. We dont because we cannot reach a compromise about pool rules, sad isnt it!

I obviously appreciate that in the Granite City, WR traditionally has always been by far the most popular rules played. I totally accept that, but is your 'North comment' refering to Aberdeen or beyond that?
Were you talking Inverness fopr example Mac, where I am told, even though there are some great players who do play WR the leagues affiliate to BB.

See above for what I am getting at. I would love to see more crossover between 2 big leagues in our region in order to grow the game in our part of the country. We should be looking to eachother to further the game and venues like rileys inverness should be utilised better to further this ambition.


Further more, if that is the case and if I understand things correctly, with the rules as they current;y stand and of which the SPA players presumably voted on, then that might well prevent BB players entering this event for fear of being banned from other BB events in the future.

Yes my problem is that this is wrong. Why should players be stopped from playing in a quality comp like this simply because they are told to by guys further south who are not in the same situation? It doesnt make sense.


I just need to try and get my head very firmly around the pros and cons, if only to try and get a workabl;e solution that will at least appease.

I fear that it will have to be you that determines the solution because the SPA exec seem very inflexible on issues like this. Sad really. I expect that it will be the tyranny of the majority that holds sway in the end. Nk doubt the qualifier, if there is one, will be played to BB rules anyway.


I need to lie down!:|

With the amount of typing you do on here and elsewhere I am not surprised! Sore eyes?! ;)

Posted by maxi on 12-07-2011 10:09
#113

furrybeast wrote:
Call an EGM then! - the only people potentially losing out here are the SPA "grassroots" members, and one of your principal sponsors.

It isn't European statute your voting on - just a pool comp!


I have never liked the Choice Policy and have tried to canvas for it's removal.

But we can't decide to drop the choice policy for one event, we either drop the choice policy or we don't.

But it shouldn't be done just because it suits us for a single tournament.

Posted by furrybeast on 12-07-2011 10:10
#114

Howard, I would say the the problem is not yours to find a solution for - you have done your bit by providing a competition that everyone eligible should want to enter (and should be able to enter!) Don't lose any sleep over it - it's up to the SPA to find a solution for it's members.

Adam is speaking about Inverness, but there are other areas where even the local qualifiers would have "mixed" entries - most notably Dunfermline, and Dumfries.

Interestingly the 2 who seem to be putting obstacles in the way wouldn't be eligible to enter anyway smspit

Posted by Macleod00 on 12-07-2011 10:15
#115

furrybeast wrote:
Howard, I would say the the problem is not yours to find a solution for - you have done your bit by providing a competition that everyone eligible should want to enter (and should be able to enter!) Don't lose any sleep over it - it's up to the SPA to find a solution for it's members.

Adam is speaking about Inverness, but there are other areas where even the local qualifiers would have "mixed" entries - most notably Dunfermline, and Dumfries.

Interestingly the 2 who seem to be putting obstacles in the way wouldn't be eligible to enter anyway smspit


I am glad that someone has mentioned other affected areas!

George, you know I am all about the promotion and growth of the game across the board. Self interest is only a minor motivation for me!
B)

Posted by furrybeast on 12-07-2011 10:22
#116

My entries already in mate - and I'm arguing to have even more players enter who will gub me out. Self interest?

Posted by Macleod00 on 12-07-2011 10:29
#117

furrybeast wrote:
My entries already in mate - and I'm arguing to have even more players enter who will gub me out. Self interest?


Not speaking about you! I was referring to your obstacles comment as i thought you were implying that by raising the points I have here that it would benefit me in some way.

I am raising these points to maximise the potential number of entries from my region. My motivation is to see as many players playing in as many quality tournaments as they like!

Posted by furrybeast on 12-07-2011 10:39
#118

Players have as many top quality events to enter as you like in Scotland but you have "chosen" to do your own thing smbye

Posted by Macleod00 on 12-07-2011 10:50
#119

furrybeast wrote:
Players have as many top quality events to enter as you like in Scotland but you have "chosen" to do your own thing smbye


This is whats known as a 'half truth'. Agreed that the SPA run superb competitions and I, amongst others, would LOVE to play in them!

The problem is that the SPA do NOT run the best comps in my part of the country on a regular basis. Hence, my rational 'forced choice'.

I think the choice policy is too stringent and it doesnt grow the game throughout Scotland as intended.

Posted by furrybeast on 12-07-2011 11:19
#120

The SPA are a national organisation - they arrange national events. Given the percentage of players in the Highlands, I think they do rather well with the number of national comps they have.

However, there is NOTHING to stop anyone arranging comps based in a particular area (as indeed you have done with R4) - how much better would they be if ALL the players in the Highlands/Moray coast could enter?

Is the Blackpool "dream" REALLY worth that much?

Posted by Macleod00 on 12-07-2011 11:47
#121

furrybeast wrote:
The SPA are a national organisation - they arrange national events. Given the percentage of players in the Highlands, I think they do rather well with the number of national comps they have.

However, there is NOTHING to stop anyone arranging comps based in a particular area (as indeed you have done with R4) - how much better would they be if ALL the players in the Highlands/Moray coast could enter?

Is the Blackpool "dream" REALLY worth that much?


Indeed, playing for Scotland in Blackpool is the biggest draw. In addition to qualification for other international comps and national comps. However, another important facet to this is players feeling that they get value for money, are treated fairly and consulted on issues that affect them.

Of course our tour would benefit from more players playing on it. I would love to see Gavin, Iain, Martin etc playing on it because the standard would go up.

Remove the banishment clause and all will be well.

Posted by furrybeast on 12-07-2011 11:55
#122

Impasse it is then smHORSE

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 12-07-2011 14:39
#123

Sorry I posted this on the wrong bit.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 12-07-2011 14:40
#124

FlyingScotsman wrote:
JASONVOORHEES wrote:
If you have represented any country
internationally and at any level (excluding ladies)
during the same three year period.

you can contact rileys and ask them Mini


John I don't really think that will be the case, I cannot confirm until Riley's reply to my e mail but I have asked certain questions regarding Internationals.

The SPA sends 130/150 players each year to Bridlington, the teams change each year so that couild come to somewhere in the 300 hundred bracket of SPA players not allowed to play, going by the 3 years.

I do not belive that Riley are trying to stop these players from playing in the event, I believe that it is only the top players from each country that they are not wanting to play but until that is confirmed I cannot be sure.



Internationals A only will not be allowed to play in this event.
LDs yes
Ladies yes,except major winners Scottish European World Champions.
Any Scottish European or World Champion from the following mens ladies seniors under 23s and under 21s are not allowed in this comp.

Lastly any SPA player on the A list.

Now there may be some players who are not on this list and Riley's may inform them that rthey cannot play in this event but the main ones that cannot have been listed above.

Edited by FlyingScotsman on 12-07-2011 14:41

Posted by maxi on 12-07-2011 15:09
#125

FlyingScotsman wrote:

Internationals A only will not be allowed to play in this event.
LDs yes
Ladies yes,except major winners Scottish European World Champions.
Any Scottish European or World Champion from the following mens ladies seniors under 23s and under 21s are not allowed in this comp.


Are you talking about individual champions Ross or any team champions in the categories you mention?

And if it does include Team events by the fact you mention Scottish as well as European and World does that mean anyone who was in a winning Super 11 or 15s team would be excluded too?

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 12-07-2011 15:50
#126

Only individuals Maxi

Posted by Drover on 12-07-2011 17:13
#127

Howard

Can u not give the SPA a certain number of spaces at the finals and let them organise the qualifiers and also give a certain number of spaces to the SEPF and let them organise their qualifiers, the qualifiers from both then go to the finals in England, where if they draw each other down there then it is fine as it's outside Scotland and the banning policy doesn't effect anyone then

Bob

Posted by howard miller on 12-07-2011 18:06
#128

Drover wrote:
Howard

Can u not give the SPA a certain number of spaces at the finals and let them organise the qualifiers and also give a certain number of spaces to the SEPF and let them organise their qualifiers, the qualifiers from both then go to the finals in England, where if they draw each other down there then it is fine as it's outside Scotland and the banning policy doesn't effect anyone then

Bob


I have to say Bob you must have been reading my notes, as my thoughts are exploring such possibilities or similar, the only stumbling block, as written on the cons side of my foleded piece of paper is how manywualifers should, could I give to both and be fair in doing so

Of 32 qualifiers there are likely to be four from Ireland, at least four maybe six from Wales at least four maybe a couple more from Scotlansd and the rest from England

If I knew how many people would enter then the choice woud be made so much easier and so much more representative, but normally, and again to be fair I am loathe to announce how many exactly there will be in any area until entry numbers are confirmed. The last thing i want to see, is one qualifier with 16 entries and yet in another area they had 52 enter!

But such an idea is a start Bob, I have to say mate

Posted by Sh88ters Aberdeen on 12-07-2011 18:14
#129

Drover wrote:
Howard

Can u not give the SPA a certain number of spaces at the finals and let them organise the qualifiers and also give a certain number of spaces to the SEPF and let them organise their qualifiers, the qualifiers from both then go to the finals in England, where if they draw each other down there then it is fine as it's outside Scotland and the banning policy doesn't effect anyone then

Bob


Bob
Think it a great idea, BUT does it say any where that the finals are in England?
I know there are a lot of people up here in Scotland that would want to play in it, hence why shouldnt a club in Scotland have the finals?
From what i believe, the finals' venue hasnt been confirmed as yet.

Aberdeen have a very good club with excellent new tables ( Supreme Winners, the best u can get... ), who is to say the finals couldnt be played there !!

And just for the record, I think the format and idea behind this is a great one Mr Miller... Just dont necessarily agree with everything else written about Rileys.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 12-07-2011 18:24
#130

Andy the finals will be in England.

Likely to be near an airport, think Liverpool which had the first Riley's event was best for all the qualifiers coming from all over the UK.

Not saying it will be that Riley's club but the finals will be in England.

Posted by Webbo on 12-07-2011 19:57
#131

maxi wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:

Internationals A only will not be allowed to play in this event.
LDs yes
Ladies yes,except major winners Scottish European World Champions.
Any Scottish European or World Champion from the following mens ladies seniors under 23s and under 21s are not allowed in this comp.


Are you talking about individual champions Ross or any team champions in the categories you mention?

And if it does include Team events by the fact you mention Scottish as well as European and World does that mean anyone who was in a winning Super 11 or 15s team would be excluded too?


Can Davy Jack from Arbroath play in this? smstir

Regards

Posted by lumie on 12-07-2011 20:27
#132

Webbo wrote:
maxi wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:

Internationals A only will not be allowed to play in this event.
LDs yes
Ladies yes,except major winners Scottish European World Champions.
Any Scottish European or World Champion from the following mens ladies seniors under 23s and under 21s are not allowed in this comp.


Are you talking about individual champions Ross or any team champions in the categories you mention?

And if it does include Team events by the fact you mention Scottish as well as European and World does that mean anyone who was in a winning Super 11 or 15s team would be excluded too?


Can Davy Jack from Arbroath play in this? smstir

Regards

Is Davie Jack the same guy as desporado dave?

Posted by Iggy on 13-07-2011 00:45
#133

Macleod00 wrote:

Of course our tour would benefit from more players playing on it. I would love to see Gavin, Iain, Martin etc playing on it because the standard would go up.

Remove the banishment clause and all will be well.


Adam , can't speak for Martin, but you know Gavin and my view on your rules. Nothing to do with the SPA choice policy. My choice not to play your rules. Another thing, please don't bring the Inverness Pool Association into your arguments. You are not part of our committee and have no right to speak for our members.

Posted by gandalph on 13-07-2011 08:56
#134

howard miller wrote:
Drover wrote:
Howard

Can u not give the SPA a certain number of spaces at the finals and let them organise the qualifiers and also give a certain number of spaces to the SEPF and let them organise their qualifiers, the qualifiers from both then go to the finals in England, where if they draw each other down there then it is fine as it's outside Scotland and the banning policy doesn't effect anyone then

Bob


I have to say Bob you must have been reading my notes, as my thoughts are exploring such possibilities or similar, the only stumbling block, as written on the cons side of my foleded piece of paper is how manywualifers should, could I give to both and be fair in doing so

Of 32 qualifiers there are likely to be four from Ireland, at least four maybe six from Wales at least four maybe a couple more from Scotlansd and the rest from England

If I knew how many people would enter then the choice woud be made so much easier and so much more representative, but normally, and again to be fair I am loathe to announce how many exactly there will be in any area until entry numbers are confirmed. The last thing i want to see, is one qualifier with 16 entries and yet in another area they had 52 enter!

But such an idea is a start Bob, I have to say mate


just do the qualfiers on a pro-rata basis same as we do with IM qualifiers etc.

Posted by Macleod00 on 13-07-2011 09:04
#135

Iggy wrote:
Macleod00 wrote:

Of course our tour would benefit from more players playing on it. I would love to see Gavin, Iain, Martin etc playing on it because the standard would go up.

Remove the banishment clause and all will be well.


Adam , can't speak for Martin, but you know Gavin and my view on your rules. Nothing to do with the SPA choice policy. My choice not to play your rules. Another thing, please don't bring the Inverness Pool Association into your arguments. You are not part of our committee and have no right to speak for our members.


My belief is that you would play if allowed. That is my opinion.

As regards speaking for your members, that is not what I have done. I have highlighted a situation that may affect your members (of which I am one by the way) entering this tournament. There is a difference.

Are you not bothered that players from your league could fall foul of the choice policy by entering this?

Posted by furrybeast on 13-07-2011 09:18
#136

gandalph wrote:
howard miller wrote:
Drover wrote:
Howard

Can u not give the SPA a certain number of spaces at the finals and let them organise the qualifiers and also give a certain number of spaces to the SEPF and let them organise their qualifiers, the qualifiers from both then go to the finals in England, where if they draw each other down there then it is fine as it's outside Scotland and the banning policy doesn't effect anyone then

Bob


I have to say Bob you must have been reading my notes, as my thoughts are exploring such possibilities or similar, the only stumbling block, as written on the cons side of my foleded piece of paper is how manywualifers should, could I give to both and be fair in doing so

Of 32 qualifiers there are likely to be four from Ireland, at least four maybe six from Wales at least four maybe a couple more from Scotlansd and the rest from England

If I knew how many people would enter then the choice woud be made so much easier and so much more representative, but normally, and again to be fair I am loathe to announce how many exactly there will be in any area until entry numbers are confirmed. The last thing i want to see, is one qualifier with 16 entries and yet in another area they had 52 enter!

But such an idea is a start Bob, I have to say mate


just do the qualfiers on a pro-rata basis same as we do with IM qualifiers etc.


What a stupid idea - it's like taking entries into a competiton and splitting them into 2 halfs; Rangers fans/Celtic fans, left handers/right handers, Blue eyes/green eyes - get my drift?

This is a RILEYS comp - if the SPA can't get their house in order for it, it's nobodies fault but theirs that their players can't enter it.

Edited by furrybeast on 13-07-2011 09:25

Posted by patchat on 13-07-2011 09:35
#137

Spot on Furry

Posted by maxi on 13-07-2011 10:54
#138

howard miller wrote:
Drover wrote:
Howard

Can u not give the SPA a certain number of spaces at the finals and let them organise the qualifiers and also give a certain number of spaces to the SEPF and let them organise their qualifiers, the qualifiers from both then go to the finals in England, where if they draw each other down there then it is fine as it's outside Scotland and the banning policy doesn't effect anyone then

Bob


I have to say Bob you must have been reading my notes, as my thoughts are exploring such possibilities or similar, the only stumbling block, as written on the cons side of my foleded piece of paper is how manywualifers should, could I give to both and be fair in doing so

Of 32 qualifiers there are likely to be four from Ireland, at least four maybe six from Wales at least four maybe a couple more from Scotlansd and the rest from England

If I knew how many people would enter then the choice woud be made so much easier and so much more representative, but normally, and again to be fair I am loathe to announce how many exactly there will be in any area until entry numbers are confirmed. The last thing i want to see, is one qualifier with 16 entries and yet in another area they had 52 enter!

But such an idea is a start Bob, I have to say mate


The fact your stating that approx 4 places will go to Ireland and four maybe six to Wales then you must have a number in mind to allocate to Scotland?

If this number is 6 then it's pretty simple to find out how many entries are taken by the SPA members and how many from the SEPF and give them a representative split accordingly. No clash of rules etc.

I think this is being way overthought.

Posted by furrybeast on 13-07-2011 10:58
#139

NOT Rileys problem!

Posted by maxi on 13-07-2011 11:06
#140

furrybeast wrote:
NOT Rileys problem!


NOT the SPA's problem either.

Choice Policy dictates members CANNOT play any other ruleset in Scotland in a tournament. End of.

So will it be alright if the SEPF decide to adopt Rileys Rules rather than WR?

Posted by furrybeast on 13-07-2011 11:07
#141

Yes

Posted by maxi on 13-07-2011 11:18
#142

furrybeast wrote:
Yes


I meant as their ongoing ruleset, not in this event....

Posted by furrybeast on 13-07-2011 11:29
#143

No idea, you'd need to ask them - Doubt it though!

Posted by maxi on 13-07-2011 11:35
#144

furrybeast wrote:
No idea, you'd need to ask them - Doubt it though!


Your hard work George..

The choice policy denies SPA members playing ANY other rules apart from SPA rules rather than naming WR so that a rival organisation can't just make up a new ruleset and it would be ok.

Posted by brocher on 13-07-2011 11:38
#145

maxi wrote:
furrybeast wrote:
Yes


I meant as their ongoing ruleset, not in this event....


maxi as you well know the SEPF members can play any rules/comp they want.

if the members choose to adopt a new set of rules that would be down to them.

Posted by furrybeast on 13-07-2011 11:43
#146

Ah I get you now - you fear that if the SPA drop this policy for this ONE comp, that the SEPF will immediately change to Rileys Rules and poach all your players???

You must read too much Tom Clancy!

Posted by maxi on 13-07-2011 11:54
#147

I'm not saying they would change their rules, I am merely giving the reason for the way the ruling exists.

Posted by furrybeast on 13-07-2011 11:58
#148

So you view Rileys as a rival organisation then?

If the answer is NO, then drop the policy for this ONE event. I'd damned sure that is what 99% of the SPA players would see as sensible.

Posted by maxi on 13-07-2011 12:17
#149

furrybeast wrote:
So you view Rileys as a rival organisation then?

If the answer is NO, then drop the policy for this ONE event. I'd damned sure that is what 99% of the SPA players would see as sensible.


But you can't pick and choose when you use rules and when you don't, that's what I am trying to point out to you all.

Posted by alligator on 13-07-2011 12:18
#150

I agree with you Furry it should always be about what the
majority of the players want. Hope the SPA reps see this
and vote accordingly.

I repeat it would be crazy not to let our grassroots players
play for such a substancial prize pool and would stand us
in good stead for any other tournaments of this nature
in the future.

A re-think about the wording of the policy is required in my
opinion.

Posted by maxi on 13-07-2011 12:20
#151

This isn't just for grassroots players Renzie, going by the rules laid out I myself can play so that would mean it's more or less just Cat A players who cannot compete in this.

Posted by furrybeast on 13-07-2011 12:24
#152

I give up!

Tell you what, I'm going to change my preferred venue to Bellshill - Go there, and insist on Rileys Rules.

Finals here I come! smpint

Posted by Del E on 13-07-2011 12:55
#153

brocher wrote:
maxi wrote:
furrybeast wrote:
Yes


I meant as their ongoing ruleset, not in this event....


maxi as you well know the SEPF members can play any rules/comp they want.

if the members choose to adopt a new set of rules that would be down to them.


me being a novice on this subject could some one carify this the SEPF can play any comps they want at any rules?cheers in advance

Posted by brocher on 13-07-2011 13:04
#154

Del E wrote:
brocher wrote:
maxi wrote:
furrybeast wrote:
Yes


I meant as their ongoing ruleset, not in this event....


maxi as you well know the SEPF members can play any rules/comp they want.

if the members choose to adopt a new set of rules that would be down to them.


me being a novice on this subject could some one carify this the SEPF can play any comps they want at any rules?cheers in advance

hi del e, that is correct any rules in any comp in any country

Posted by furrybeast on 13-07-2011 13:22
#155

Apart from SPA ones... :)

Posted by Del E on 13-07-2011 14:09
#156

brocher wrote:
Del E wrote:
brocher wrote:
maxi wrote:
furrybeast wrote:
Yes


I meant as their ongoing ruleset, not in this event....


maxi as you well know the SEPF members can play any rules/comp they want.

if the members choose to adopt a new set of rules that would be down to them.


me being a novice on this subject could some one carify this the SEPF can play any comps they want at any rules?cheers in advance

hi del e, that is correct any rules in any comp in any country


so the SEPF could play in any of the tours ie maxi's tour but us guys the SPA have to just stick with BB ruled comps? and couldnt enter a competition if i was say up in aberdeen or at blackpool for a weekend correct me if im wrong but that just makes no sense at all,the power's that be MUST look at this rule asap.

Posted by maxi on 13-07-2011 14:12
#157

Del E wrote:
so the SEPF could play in any of the tours ie maxi's tour but us guys the SPA have to just stick with BB ruled comps? and couldnt enter a competition if i was say up in aberdeen or at blackpool for a weekend correct me if im wrong but that just makes no sense at all,the power's that be MUST look at this rule asap.


As an SPA member Derek, you can only play in competition run to Blackball rules in Scotland. If you go outwith Scotland you can play in a tournament ran to any ruleset you want.

This only applies to Scotland.

Yes SEPF players could play in private events played to BB, but they are unable to take advantage of the well run SPA events ie IM, Scottish, 5 Man, Doubles, Superleagues etc etc

Posted by alligator on 13-07-2011 14:38
#158

So if I run a 14-1 tournament and SPA players play they
face being banned as it is not blackball ?

Answer please Maxi.

Posted by Del E on 13-07-2011 14:54
#159

maxi wrote:
Del E wrote:
so the SEPF could play in any of the tours ie maxi's tour but us guys the SPA have to just stick with BB ruled comps? and couldnt enter a competition if i was say up in aberdeen or at blackpool for a weekend correct me if im wrong but that just makes no sense at all,the power's that be MUST look at this rule asap.


As an SPA member Derek, you can only play in competition run to Blackball rules in Scotland. If you go outwith Scotland you can play in a tournament ran to any ruleset you want.

This only applies to Scotland.

Yes SEPF players could play in private events played to BB, but they are unable to take advantage of the well run SPA events ie IM, Scottish, 5 Man, Doubles, Superleagues etc etc


just sound's a very strange rule maxi i know there is a bit of conflict from each side's but if its going to benefit(not too sure if it would us emerging together) scottish pool in a whole would make sense,also it seems to open up a can of worms as renzie has just posted.

thanks for clearing that up for me mate.

Posted by maxi on 13-07-2011 15:16
#160

alligator wrote:
So if I run a 14-1 tournament and SPA players play they
face being banned as it is not blackball ?

Answer please Maxi.


Don't be silly Renzie, 14-1 is a WPA ruleset.

Posted by alligator on 13-07-2011 15:22
#161

Ok if I run a team tournament just potting balls limiting the
ammount of balls each player can pot which is not a WPA
discipline would SPA players be banned for playing in this ?

Are our SPA rules themselves not an adaptation of BB
and not the WPA set ?

Not being silly trying to find the loophole.

Posted by maxi on 13-07-2011 15:31
#162

Nope and Yes.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 13-07-2011 16:45
#163

The rule the SPA made has nothing at all to do with the WPA.

The choice policy was in before we were members of the WPA.

In no way shape or form have the SPA any right to stop players playing 14/1 Speed pool or any other game other than what was agreed by the members.

The choice policy is that players can play in SPA events as long as they do NOT play in other 8 ball rules in Scotland.

Maxi I know you are trying to but the SPA have and are trying to get one set of rules for 8 ball pool, nothing else.

You lot out there may feel that the SPA are trying to stop you from playing in WR comps but that is not the case, I have played this game far longer than most of you if not all, the game can only go forward with one set of rules and the people who are trying to get our members to play other sets do not know the full facts, they are only interested in trying to get their own body bigger than the SPA and it will not happen.

The game will benefit with one set, Riley's will be the first to say that as well and so will others who will want to be part of the game with one set, one WC, one European and so on.

I to want the SPA members to play in the Riley's event as I believe it is good value for money but you must stop and ask the real question, do we want to have one or two events with good prize money and lose what the SPA have done over the past 12 years or do we go with what we believe, that having one set of rules can change this game over night and that night may not be that far away.


Posted by maxi on 13-07-2011 16:53
#164

FlyingScotsman wrote:
The choice policy is that players can play in SPA events as long as they do NOT play in other 8 ball rules in Scotland.


Your wrong Ross, I will place a bet with you that I could run an 8 ball event in Scotland completely unlike Blackball and the players would not be banned.

The choice policy is there for one reason and one reason only, to prevent the SEPF from growing, it wasn't introduced until the new organisation was formed. We all know that's why it was created which everyone can understand.

Posted by Meaty on 13-07-2011 17:22
#165

question: what if SPA members play to BB rules for the qualifiers & regionals in Scotland, are they then allowed to play "Rileys Rules" in England for the finals??

Posted by maxi on 13-07-2011 17:30
#166

Meaty wrote:
question: what if SPA members play to BB rules for the qualifiers & regionals in Scotland, are they then allowed to play "Rileys Rules" in England for the finals??


Yes.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 13-07-2011 17:33
#167

Maxi I am not going to get into an argument with you over rules, to tell you the truth I don't really care after the next few days it may not be required.

Posted by furrybeast on 13-07-2011 17:38
#168

FlyingScotsman wrote:
to tell you the truth I don't really care after the next few days it may not be required.


Here's hoping!

Posted by Lucky Eightball on 13-07-2011 20:14
#169

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Just heard through the grapevine that Riley's will be doing a £10000 event soon.

Full details for the event and who can play in it will be announced shortly.

What I can tell you is that no class A SPA player will be allowed to enter.


Thats 'Interesting'

Remind me again what position you hold in the SPA which allows you to tell anyone anything?

Posted by Lucky Eightball on 13-07-2011 20:19
#170

furrybeast wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
to tell you the truth I don't really care after the next few days it may not be required.


Here's hoping!


Thats 'Interesting'

Morray's 'seminar' lol. What a complete and utter joke.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 13-07-2011 20:36
#171

Lucky Eightball wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
Just heard through the grapevine that Riley's will be doing a £10000 event soon.

Full details for the event and who can play in it will be announced shortly.

What I can tell you is that no class A SPA player will be allowed to enter.


Thats 'Interesting'

Remind me again what position you hold in the SPA which allows you to tell anyone anything?


Here we go again, FOOL, I would like to meet you someday just to see if you were as daft live as you are on websites.

I will remind you of my position regarding the above, RILEY'S have informed the SPA that no Cat A players can play in THEIR event, do you ever read anything before letting your mouth shoot off?

Posted by Lucky Eightball on 13-07-2011 20:53
#172

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Lucky Eightball wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
Just heard through the grapevine that Riley's will be doing a £10000 event soon.

Full details for the event and who can play in it will be announced shortly.

What I can tell you is that no class A SPA player will be allowed to enter.


Thats 'Interesting'

Remind me again what position you hold in the SPA which allows you to tell anyone anything?


Here we go again, FOOL, I would like to meet you someday just to see if you were as daft live as you are on websites.

I will remind you of my position regarding the above, RILEY'S have informed the SPA that no Cat A players can play in THEIR event, do you ever read anything before letting your mouth shoot off?


Wrong again flying fool it is just you trying to keep a grip on players wallets in Scotland by hoodwinking SPA members as usual into thinking they have no option but to enter your events. Is it not time you just accepted your grip on Scottish pool is over and your schemes in England have come to nothing as Morray has done you up like a kipper.

Edited by Lucky Eightball on 14-07-2011 18:23

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 13-07-2011 21:13
#173

You are such a fool that you do not even know what you are putting down on the SPA site, you are quoting the regional manager of RILEY's in this, are you for real, can you not see that you are just putting yourself and the SEPF in the real light so that everyone can see what you are on about.

Riley's have informed everyone in their rules that certain players will not be allowed to play in their events, these players are the top players from each country, Riley's want to give chances to the players who do not win events with this amount of prize money, that is why the SPA cat A players WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO PLAY IN THE EVENT, they said it not ME.

I do hope that Riley's do not take this the wrong way but if they deal with fools like you then they should not be in business.


This is the same guy who posted on the Cue Club Website that the SPA has only 100 players North and South of Glasgow, that we have lost over 20 leagues this year,that the SPA are nothing now, that the promoter has went south to stay.

Lots more you posted, like I was sending e mails to the WEPF.

You are nothing less than a liar a fool who truly believes in that you are something, fool please look at what the SPA have done and tell them on their own website that they are nothing that they have only 100 players north and south of Glasgow and see what they tell you.

Unlike other people I do not tell the SPA members what to do, they tell me what they want, what you and the rest of your cronies want is the SPA to go under, well that will not happen in my lifetime, you show the SPA members what you and your mates really want and that is the real reason that you will never win, FOOL.

Edited by FlyingScotsman on 13-07-2011 21:15

Posted by lumie on 13-07-2011 22:14
#174

Ross,this guy has previous,im surprised you are rising to the bait.Dont fuel his fire

Posted by Lucky Eightball on 13-07-2011 22:35
#175

FlyingScotsman wrote:
You are such a fool that you do not even know what you are putting down on the SPA site, you are quoting the regional manager of RILEY's in this, are you for real, can you not see that you are just putting yourself and the SEPF in the real light so that everyone can see what you are on about.

Riley's have informed everyone in their rules that certain players will not be allowed to play in their events, these players are the top players from each country, Riley's want to give chances to the players who do not win events with this amount of prize money, that is why the SPA cat A players WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO PLAY IN THE EVENT, they said it not ME.

I do hope that Riley's do not take this the wrong way but if they deal with fools like you then they should not be in business.


This is the same guy who posted on the Cue Club Website that the SPA has only 100 players North and South of Glasgow, that we have lost over 20 leagues this year,that the SPA are nothing now, that the promoter has went south to stay.

Lots more you posted, like I was sending e mails to the WEPF.

You are nothing less than a liar a fool who truly believes in that you are something, fool please look at what the SPA have done and tell them on their own website that they are nothing that they have only 100 players north and south of Glasgow and see what they tell you.

Unlike other people I do not tell the SPA members what to do, they tell me what they want, what you and the rest of your cronies want is the SPA to go under, well that will not happen in my lifetime, you show the SPA members what you and your mates really want and that is the real reason that you will never win, FOOL.




‘That’s Interesting’

Ok where do I start?

The gentleman quoted is not a regional manager but the National Operations Manager and he has made it clear you are talking nonsense again. Riley’s rules will not be used in this event or any other ever again despite whatever you and your cronies Morray and Miller think.

Please post a copy of these so called instructions from Riley’s. I won’t hold my breath.

Hope you have a good time at the ‘top secret seminar’ for losers and has-beens, you will fit right in.

Please can you show me where I have expressed an wish for the SPA to go under? I just what you to stop milking Scottish pool players for your own enrichment and to allow them to play pool when and where they want.

Copy of the letter you received from the SEPF seems you have conveniently forgotten it?



13 May 2010 Ref: 10-012le



For the attention of:

Alan Scorer World Eightball Pool Federation (WEPF)
George Harwood European Eightball Pool Federation (EEPF)
Alan Benton English Pool Association (EPA)


Dear Sirs,

Ross McInnes has approached ourselves with a view to competing at The 2010 World Eightball pool Championships in the over 50's event.

The Scottish Eightball Pool Federation Executive Committee has decided not to allow Ross to enter this event on this occasion.

Ross has been campaigning for years to try and rubbish our federation and has also banned any player who plays World rules in Scotland from all SPA events. We therefore feel, as a committee, that it would be of no benefit to the SEPF to allow him to compete.

We also have qualification criteria to adhere to as per our Constitution and as Ross has not or cannot play in any of our events due to his own banning policy, we as a Federation would be going against our own membership and Constitution if we were to agree.

Trusting this to be in order.



Yours sincerely
for SCOTTISH 8-BALL POOL FEDERATION

Karin Burt
National Secretary

Posted by furrybeast on 13-07-2011 22:50
#176

Would this be the same seminar that Derek Ahern asked for an invite to last week?

I'm sure Howards going to love your insight into Rileys policies too

You crack me up - TOO funny :D

Posted by Lucky Eightball on 13-07-2011 23:08
#177

And in comes flunky to stroke Ross's ego.

Posted by smarties on 14-07-2011 03:15
#178

Maxi has explained the choice policy very well to everyone, i don't see how some of you can't get it, i agree that it does not sit well with SOME players.

It was brought in about 20 years ago, and it has taken the S.P.A. members(not just ross) all that time to get to where we are to-day, and i have to say where we are now is looking pretty good.

1.I.Ms. five times a year.
2.Scottish championships(almost 1000 entries this year)
3.Super 15s (As)
4.Super 15s (bs)
5.Super 11s (As)
6.Super 11s (bs)
7.Super 11s (cs)new event this year
8.Grassroots event
9.International teams winning more than their fare share(every year)
10.Jason shaw(the current world champion)

This is S.P.A. stuff, not to mention all the other comps that go on(maxi's,cabbages,seniors ect,ect).

The quality of pool player going up(no doubt).


Yes, things look O.K. with the choice policy in place.

Remove it for one comp,NO THANK YOU!!!!



As allmost everyone agrees, 1 set of rules is the only way forward,if that happens, there will be no choice policy,every pool player happy.

The people at the top can, and should make this happen.

Edited by smarties on 14-07-2011 03:25

Posted by brocher on 14-07-2011 07:53
#179

hi all

ross you need to answer your members on this issue mate, you applied to play in the WEPF championship but your members cant play a different rule set. very interesting. on a personnel note as previously posted i and more importantly the SEPF would have no issue with you playing. Furry if any member of the SEPF wants to go to morrays seminar its their CHOICE we dont tell our members what to do.

Posted by maxi on 14-07-2011 08:43
#180

Smarties, that is probably the best post you have made on here apart from its the 15s that has the C event and thats this year...

Lucky eightball, i never read so much drivel from the one person on this site EVER. FACT.

Brocher, SPA players can play any ruleset outwith Scotland. How many times does that need to be posted on these forums for you to take that in...

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 14-07-2011 09:06
#181

brocher wrote:
hi all

ross you need to answer your members on this issue mate, you applied to play in the WEPF championship but your members cant play a different rule set. very interesting. on a personnel note as previously posted i and more importantly the SEPF would have no issue with you playing. Furry if any member of the SEPF wants to go to morrays seminar its their CHOICE we dont tell our members what to do.


What do I have to answer to the members of the SPA about Mike,

After talking to Alan the Sec of the WEPF at the time ,I was the Vice Chairman of the EBA at that time and the EBA committee knew what was happening all the time, i also informed the SPA that I was trying to get a meeting with the WEPF. Alan, who resigned right after the tournament, was trying to arrange a meeting with me and the WEPF board to discuss rules, this meeting was to be at the WEPF WCs in Blackpool 2010, he informed me that the members could not give me an exact date for this meeting as the had so many other things to do there.

For me to play in the senior event there, Alan told me that I had to qualify from Scotland under the SEPF and as such I thanked him and told him I could not do that because of the choice policy, I also informed a young lady from the SEPF who wrote to me the same thing.

The WEPF board wanted to meet me but it never went ahead because one gentleman does not want us to get one set of rules, GH informed Mr Scorer that if the WEPF went with BB International, he would set up another body and just have his own WCs running against all us.

Now onto Lucky boy, you have answered nothing I have asked you.

Where are the e mails I sent to the WEPF?

How many players do the SPA have North and South of Glasgow, is it still just over 100?

Who are the 20 leagues the SPA have lost in the past year?

Where does the SPA promoter live in England?

How are the SPA going under?

You posted these things on the Cue Club International site, in fact I will find it and have it posted on here, can you tell our members why you are telling lies?

Lastly Mike , this man is an officail of your body the SEPF and yet you let him out during the day, any chance you ever had is gone with the comments this person makes and the lies he tells.

Edited by FlyingScotsman on 14-07-2011 09:07

Posted by Sh88ters Aberdeen on 14-07-2011 09:09
#182

maxi wrote:
Smarties, that is probably the best post you have made on here apart from its the 15s that has the C event and thats this year...

Lucky eightball, i never read so much drivel from the one person on this site EVER. FACT.

Brocher, SPA players can play any ruleset outwith Scotland. How many times does that need to be posted on these forums for you to take that in...


Maxi
You are 100% or should I say 99% right there.
Aparently thiugh, there is a clause that they can only play in non international events and not represent their country. No doubt Ross will confirm.

When the sepf offered the spa boys to put in a team in blackpool, you will remember that this was vetoed and Ross was heading up the reasons why.

What i think mike and John are saying is that why was it ok for Ross to want to play and represent Scotland in the over 50s, but the rest of your lads are not allowed to play in the team event offered this year.

Whether singles or team, still classed as representing Scotland.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 14-07-2011 09:27
#183

Andy lets say it again, the SPA does not stop any of it's players playing in International events outside of Scotland unless it is a team event and they call themselves SCOTLAND.

Posted by maxi on 14-07-2011 09:31
#184

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Andy lets say it again, the SPA does not stop any of it's players playing in International events outside of Scotland unless it is a team event and they call themselves SCOTLAND.


Beat me to it Ross, the choice policy only applies to playing in team events representing Scotland at International events.

Pat Holtz played in the singles down in Blackpool at least once, maybe more when he moved back and playing under the SPA.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 14-07-2011 09:32
#185

Andy, the SPA are answering all your questions on their own asite but John[ luckyboy ] cannot answer my questions to him.

The SEPF have a person that tells lies about the SPA and they let him.

How can you allow this person to remain an offical in your body.

Posted by furrybeast on 14-07-2011 09:34
#186

brocher wrote:Furry if any member of the SEPF wants to go to morrays seminar its their CHOICE we dont tell our members what to do.


According to your self appointed minister for misinformation, anyone who wants to go to the seminar is a "has been and a loser" - Perhaps he can explain that comment to your recently reappointed R1 chairman.

Posted by Sh88ters Aberdeen on 14-07-2011 09:59
#187

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Andy lets say it again, the SPA does not stop any of it's players playing in International events outside of Scotland unless it is a team event and they call themselves SCOTLAND.


Ok Ross clarified..
Thank u.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 14-07-2011 10:20
#188






Topic: BREAKING:George Harwood Calls IPA Exec Meeting!!



Lucky Eightball

Posted: 20 June 2011 00:05:28





Originally Posted by: theflyingscotsman
As for the SPA taking a beating from the SEPF, do not believe what you are told from the SEPF boys up here or even GH for that matter, the SEPF have done really well over the last 12 months but in no way shape or form have they done anything against the SPA, in fact we are doing better than ever, all you have to do is ask the players on the SPA website as I do here.



You really are a fantasist Ross.

By what measure do you define “doing better than ever”?

Down to Less than 100 players north and south of Glasgow. twenty or more leagues lost, membership going down like the Titanic, massaging of competion and tour entry figures, treasurer resigned, chairman resigned, promoter done a runner south, no prize monies paid out,unpaid bills, no accounts published, players asked to return prize money under the table, the £3000 polo shirt saga, disaster at Craig Tara, disaster at Bridlington, disaster at Norbreck, the new tour reeks of another failure, cheques disappearing and reappearing like magic, slated by your own players on the website you refer to.

Even Flunky Beast has deserted your sinking ship.

Anyone considering getting involved with this man count your fingers after you have shaken his hand. Or jump in a snake pit.

Incidentally why do you claim to hold no position on the SPA or EBA committees but still pull all the strings?

The SEPF recently offered to talk to the SPA but the committee had to check with you. That’s strange as you hold no position.

Any player even thinking of getting involved with him and his new cronies his track record reeks of failure. There is a reason he is the only person who has made a living out of pool for years, you keep telling everyone that blackball is growing I can see no evidence of anything growing except your bank balance

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 14-07-2011 10:21
#189

Now then luckboy please inform the SPA members of the above?

Posted by brocher on 14-07-2011 11:19
#190

hi ross

the WEPF never wanted to meet with you. alan scorer who you will attend a meeting with you tomorrow with dolan in london contacted me prior to the agm last year and suggested an olive branch was extended to you. I agreed at the time. the invitation was from him not the WEPF. read the email again mate and digest the context, you requested to play at the worlds so man up and admit it to your members.

Edited by brocher on 14-07-2011 11:19

Posted by brocher on 14-07-2011 11:20
#191

hi ross

the SEPF is not my body it belongs to the members

Posted by furrybeast on 14-07-2011 11:53
#192

Technically, it still belongs to its creditors smstir

Edited by furrybeast on 14-07-2011 11:53

Posted by ewankenobi on 14-07-2011 13:22
#193

how come every thread on this website ends up talking about a completely different subject than it started with. Its a pain when a month later your trying to find info about a tournament you saw a while back. Could mods not branch it into seperate threads when arguments and debates like this start?

Posted by secretary on 14-07-2011 15:14
#194

Lucky Eightball

Posted: 20 June 2011 00:05:28






The SEPF recently offered to talk to the SPA but the committee had to check with you.



Not true.

Posted by furrybeast on 14-07-2011 15:30
#195

Luckyweightball in amongst the pork pies again? Nah, surely not!

Posted by patchat on 14-07-2011 17:49
#196

smarties wrote:
Maxi has explained the choice policy very well to everyone, i don't see how some of you can't get it, i agree that it does not sit well with SOME players.

It was brought in about 20 years ago, and it has taken the S.P.A. members(not just ross) all that time to get to where we are to-day, and i have to say where we are now is looking pretty good.

1.I.Ms. five times a year.
2.Scottish championships(almost 1000 entries this year)
3.Super 15s (As)
4.Super 15s (bs)
5.Super 11s (As)
6.Super 11s (bs)
7.Super 11s (cs)new event this year
8.Grassroots event
9.International teams winning more than their fare share(every year)
10.Jason shaw(the current world champion)

This is S.P.A. stuff, not to mention all the other comps that go on(maxi's,cabbages,seniors ect,ect).

The quality of pool player going up(no doubt).


Yes, things look O.K. with the choice policy in place.

Remove it for one comp,NO THANK YOU!!!!



As allmost everyone agrees, 1 set of rules is the only way forward,if that happens, there will be no choice policy,every pool player happy.

The people at the top can, and should make this happen.

Posted by patchat on 14-07-2011 17:53
#197

patchat wrote:
smarties wrote:
Maxi has explained the choice policy very well to everyone, i don't see how some of you can't get it, i agree that it does not sit well with SOME players.

It was brought in about 20 years ago, and it has taken the S.P.A. members(not just ross) all that time to get to where we are to-day, and i have to say where we are now is looking pretty good.

1.I.Ms. five times a year.
2.Scottish championships(almost 1000 entries this year)
3.Super 15s (As)
4.Super 15s (bs)
5.Super 11s (As)
6.Super 11s (bs)
7.Super 11s (cs)new event this year
8.Grassroots event
9.International teams winning more than their fare share(every year)
10.Jason shaw(the current world champion)

This is S.P.A. stuff, not to mention all the other comps that go on(maxi's,cabbages,seniors ect,ect).

The quality of pool player going up(no doubt).


Yes, things look O.K. with the choice policy in place.

Remove it for one comp,NO THANK YOU!!!!



As allmost everyone agrees, 1 set of rules is the only way forward,if that happens, there will be no choice policy,every pool player happy.

The people at the top can, and should make this happen.


Very North Korea.
The people will accept the wisdom of their leaders. who know after all know what's best for them.
Freeodom of choice is a daft concept.

Posted by Lucky Eightball on 14-07-2011 18:10
#198

smarties wrote:
Maxi has explained the choice policy very well to everyone, i don't see how some of you can't get it, i agree that it does not sit well with SOME players.

It was brought in about 20 years ago, and it has taken the S.P.A. members(not just ross) all that time to get to where we are to-day, and i have to say where we are now is looking pretty good.

1.I.Ms. five times a year.
2.Scottish championships(almost 1000 entries this year)
3.Super 15s (As)
4.Super 15s (bs)
5.Super 11s (As)
6.Super 11s (bs)
7.Super 11s (cs)new event this year
8.Grassroots event
9.International teams winning more than their fare share(every year)
10.Jason shaw(the current world champion)

This is S.P.A. stuff, not to mention all the other comps that go on(maxi's,cabbages,seniors ect,ect).

The quality of pool player going up(no doubt).


Yes, things look O.K. with the choice policy in place.

Remove it for one comp,NO THANK YOU!!!!



As allmost everyone agrees, 1 set of rules is the only way forward,if that happens, there will be no choice policy,every pool player happy.

The people at the top can, and should make this happen.



Half of the member leagues are just IM members with a handfull of players.
The B team events were tiny as the teams were moved to shore up flagging numbers at the A events.
Not hard to have a Scottish World Champ when no other country enters.
Scotland wins a lot against the Shetlands.

Edited by Lucky Eightball on 14-07-2011 18:10

Posted by Lucky Eightball on 14-07-2011 18:12
#199

secretary wrote:
Lucky Eightball

Posted: 20 June 2011 00:05:28






The SEPF recently offered to talk to the SPA but the committee had to check with you.



Not true.


We where told that no meeting could take place without Ross which we found surprising given that he has no status with the SPA.

Posted by alligator on 14-07-2011 18:41
#200

Lucky take it your not a big fan of Ross or the SPA ?

Do you think the SPA or the SEPF provides better tournaments
for the players of Scotland ?

Would you like to see a unified Scotland ?

How would you go about it ?

Posted by mini hartson on 14-07-2011 19:45
#201

alligator wrote:
Lucky take it your not a big fan of Ross or the SPA ?

Do you think the SPA or the SEPF provides better tournaments
for the players of Scotland ?

Would you like to see a unified Scotland ?

How would you go about it ?


lucky to be fair......the SPA (IN MY EYES) look out for all players weather they are jnrs,unders,ladies senors,mens- even US (ld's) and the PD's.....from what i gather the other lot dont have a LD's which isn't very equal opportunities.....i'm not saying you guys haven't tried but i'm saying the SPA are like a family to me and i cant say anything bad about how they go about things cause at the end of the day they look after every team and that to me is EVERYTHING...i could never thank enough what they do for the LD's but also EVERY other team part of TEAM SCOTLAND.....so can you please not undermine what the SPA have worked so hard to achieve....if its a grievance with ross again in my opinion the SPA wouldn't have done great things if it wasn't for ross or the other members of the committee......sorry if i'm ranting on am better face to face than in writing.

cheers mini

Posted by smarties on 14-07-2011 22:23
#202

Lucky Eightball wrote:


Half of the member leagues are just IM members with a handfull of players.
The B team events were tiny as the teams were moved to shore up flagging numbers at the A events.
Not hard to have a Scottish World Champ when no other country enters.
Scotland wins a lot against the Shetlands.



With this post, and the one ross has taken from another site, the only thing you are doing is pushing both sides further apart.

Which may be your agenda, i don't know?

What i do now know is,you can type some drivel.

Edited by smarties on 14-07-2011 22:27

Posted by Del E on 14-07-2011 23:38
#203

smarties wrote:
Lucky Eightball wrote:


Half of the member leagues are just IM members with a handfull of players.
The B team events were tiny as the teams were moved to shore up flagging numbers at the A events.
Not hard to have a Scottish World Champ when no other country enters.
Scotland wins a lot against the Shetlands.



With this post, and the one ross has taken from another site, the only thing you are doing is pushing both sides further apart.

Which may be your agenda, i don't know?

What i do now know is,you can type some drivel.



Gaan the Malky......

Posted by Meaty on 20-07-2011 18:19
#204

So are alot of players not entering this due to the choice policy?
I'm not gonna b put aff by it & will b entering

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 20-07-2011 18:25
#205

Meaty wrote:
So are alot of players not entering this due to the choice policy?
I'm not gonna b put aff by it & will b entering


You having a laugh?

Posted by Meaty on 20-07-2011 20:20
#206

?

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 20-07-2011 20:36
#207

Come on Meaty give us more than that?

Posted by Meaty on 20-07-2011 20:50
#208

we'll supposedly get banned if we play in it? im not letting that put me off - are you saying every member who enters will be tracked down & banned also?

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 20-07-2011 21:06
#209

No meaty where have I said that, are you trying to make me out the bad guy, who said anything about WE?

Before you use the SPA for your own means please be very carefull.

Lets start by asking you who you are? where you come from?

Or do you want me to guess that?

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 20-07-2011 22:01
#210

Hello Meaty can you answer my questions or should I do that for you?

Posted by maxi on 20-07-2011 22:47
#211

Your mistaken for the reasons why Meaty posted that Ross.

They are from Stirling Rileys and they were not meaning what you thought.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 20-07-2011 22:51
#212

See there you go again, I knew that he/she was from Riley's Stirling but you big mouth have to come on here and say that.

All you have to do is look back at the posts he/she put on, it's not hard.

Next time meaty keep what you want to do out of SPA business, don't try an be smart by trying to get players to enter events and get kicked out of others, wait until your told what to do, rather than try and cause trouble with SPA members.




Posted by maxi on 20-07-2011 23:14
#213

FlyingScotsman wrote:
See there you go again, I knew that he/she was from Riley's Stirling but you big mouth have to come on here and say that.

All you have to do is look back at the posts he/she put on, it's not hard.

Next time meaty keep what you want to do out of SPA business, don't try an be smart by trying to get players to enter events and get kicked out of others, wait until your told what to do, rather than try and cause trouble with SPA members.





You on the red wine again.

I'll do you a solid and giv you ten minutes to read thru this full thread.

Meaty had made 3 posts before the one about.

1. To say Rileys rules are a mix of BB and WR
2. Answering a question about costs of tables in Inverness Rileys from Brian Johnson
3. Asking if SPA would be allowed to play BB in regional qualifiers and Rileys rules at finals in England.

Now digest all that as well as reading thru the thread yourself and then I expect an apology to Meaty and then to myself.

Think the wine must be scrambling your brain and your confusing Meaty with MacLeod?

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 21-07-2011 07:29
#214

What,
No red wine Maxi.

He made a fourth post, to say that he would not be put off by the SPA choice policy, add that up with the other 3 and you will not get a pool player you get someone who works for Riley's.

I already knew that he/she came from Striling, all I'm saying to him/her is keep iout of SPA business, I can see an SE{PF player wanting to do this but not someone who works for a company.

So before you start saying I'm on the red wine, you look over my posts please.

Posted by maxi on 21-07-2011 10:35
#215

howard miller wrote:
Hopefully though you will understand who its run for and why and if eligible go for it


So why are you not giving Howard the same treatment as Meaty when he clearly is inviting players to play?

I just cannot understand your logic behind your wee outburst, the guy simply says he is going to enter.

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 21-07-2011 10:40
#216

I'm looking forward to this event

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 21-07-2011 10:42
#217

Logic, is that Howard Miller informs the SPA about the event, he does not hid behind a logo name and come on to OUR website and say that he will play in the event no matter what.
That the SPA will track down each member and ban them.

My logic is that company workers for Riley's should stay out of this, if it was a member of the SEPF, I would not mind but this is an employee of Riley's not a pool player.

Do you get my logic now Maxi.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 21-07-2011 10:46
#218

JASONVOORHEES wrote:
I'm looking forward to this event


You see here is John saying he is looking forward to the event, John is an SPA player, he is not someone who is trying to cause trouble within the SPA.

Best of luck John ,hope you win it, Fantastic prize money and no A or pros in it, which Riley club are you going to try and qualify from?

Posted by Meaty on 21-07-2011 11:21
#219

correct, i am the table cleaner in stirling and play in the bannockburn league. i didn't mean it the way it sounded at all - i was just confused to whats being said

Posted by maxi on 21-07-2011 11:28
#220

FlyingScotsman wrote:
JASONVOORHEES wrote:
I'm looking forward to this event


You see here is John saying he is looking forward to the event, John is an SPA player, he is not someone who is trying to cause trouble within the SPA.

Best of luck John ,hope you win it, Fantastic prize money and no A or pros in it, which Riley club are you going to try and qualify from?


Sorry Ross, but Meaty is JUST an SPA player as well.

Your wrong.

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 21-07-2011 12:13
#221

FlyingScotsman wrote:
JASONVOORHEES wrote:
I'm looking forward to this event


You see here is John saying he is looking forward to the event, John is an SPA player, he is not someone who is trying to cause trouble within the SPA.

Best of luck John ,hope you win it, Fantastic prize money and no A or pros in it, which Riley club are you going to try and qualify from?


Rileys Coatbridge Ross

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 21-07-2011 13:14
#222

maxi wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
JASONVOORHEES wrote:
I'm looking forward to this event


You see here is John saying he is looking forward to the event, John is an SPA player, he is not someone who is trying to cause trouble within the SPA.

Best of luck John ,hope you win it, Fantastic prize money and no A or pros in it, which Riley club are you going to try and qualify from?


Sorry Ross, but Meaty is JUST an SPA player as well.

Your wrong.


I let the SPA members decide that if you don't mind.

Posted by howard miller on 21-07-2011 17:06
#223

FlyingScotsman wrote:
See there you go again, I knew that he/she was from Riley's Stirling but you big mouth have to come on here and say that.

All you have to do is look back at the posts he/she put on, it's not hard.

Next time meaty keep what you want to do out of SPA business, don't try an be smart by trying to get players to enter events and get kicked out of others, wait until your told what to do, rather than try and cause trouble with SPA members.





I have no idea who he or she is Ross, but he or she if indeed they are as you say from Stirling can presumably say what they like. Because we dont agree with it doesn't change my view that they have every right to say it


For obvious reasons I dont like the 'choice policy' the SPA employ, but I certainly understand why they have it and surely its the same here, misguided or otherwise all of us have an opinion mate,

Edited by howard miller on 21-07-2011 17:16

Posted by howard miller on 21-07-2011 17:14
#224

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Logic, is that Howard Miller informs the SPA about the event, he does not hid behind a logo name and come on to OUR website and say that he will play in the event no matter what.
That the SPA will track down each member and ban them.

My logic is that company workers for Riley's should stay out of this, if it was a member of the SEPF, I would not mind but this is an employee of Riley's not a pool player.

Do you get my logic now Maxi.


I agree with Maxi, Merlot is to blame for the fact that you think you have any logic son.

Am sorry whilst I do believe it is not advisable for any staff, if Meaty is as you suggest indeed staff, to get involved in debate, controversy or non club issues, but for whatever reasons they alomg with any one of us can do so.

Unlike this forum becomes like the BDO players forum where everybody had to re-register in their own name (I think all sites should do this btw) we, you every one on every site encourages annonomous posting why make jusdgement calls when they do

Its an unfortunate and well known fact that I know lot more about pretty mch everything than you do son, but god forbid I ever tell people, you would never let me hear the end of it!smmusic

Posted by howard miller on 21-07-2011 18:05
#225

In view of all the politics especially in Scotland, not to mention the vitriol that only pool politics appears to generate. i've sat here and read all of your comments, and indeed those on other sites, listened to them, and if only in my head and for the sake of my sanity tried to establish what would be best for this event, what would serve the common good, and what make most people happy, and it's not been easy that's for sure

As best I could, especially as I hate politics with a passion I then tried to seperate peoples understandable bias and chosen allegiances and come up with a formula that will hopefully at least appease

To that end this is what has been decided

There will be 8 Scottish qualifers for the Rileys UK Masters

1. Abeerdeen
2.
3.Perth
4. Inverness
5. Stirling
6.Bellshill
7.Edinburgh
8.Glasgow

In Aberdeen the regional finals as was always going to happen will be played to WR.

Number two, I am planning to take to a yet to be determined venue somewhere in the Borders area where yet again it will be played to WR

I have been in contact with Derek and am just waiting for him to advise and or send me details of a 'neutral Non Rileys' venue in that area. Obviously we are going to miss out on business, but the reason I have chosen the Borders area is that I am told that whilst not huge there are many small leagues down there that currently all play WR.

In truth we were also keen to support them and importantly for us, be seen to be supporting them. Like Aberdeen the Borders is I am reliably told predominantly a WR dominated area and I felt the best way to reward them without making their players travel significant distances was with a regional qualifier, and I now obviously hope that people will now at least appreciate that gesture and enter in some numbers

I also explored all the leagues immediately in and also around our clubs, certainly those clubs with most EP tables and it was clearly apparent that all had one thing pretty much in common; they played to BB rules!

Obviously commercialism has to play a part in everything we do and that reason we have little option open to us but to play all qualifiers from number three to eight to BB rules or entry numbers will significantly suffer

The winners of all events will qualify for the national finals which will be held in either Liverpool or Manchester (not Birmingham as has been suggested, which whilst it may be centre of England it most certainly is not centre of the UK) and at which Rileys rules will be played, again we have no choice whatsoever as this debate has clearly highlighted.

So eight lucky players will have to learn a rule set that whilst not perfect, even I admit that are a rule set that are both more than acceptable to most players and importantly easy to understand

All 32 qualifiers for the Natinal finals will be on a minimum of £100.00 prize money which will then significantly increase with each victory notched

Hope that now clarifies everything for all of you and more that you all now enter.....somewhere!

Edited by howard miller on 21-07-2011 18:09

Posted by knowledge on 21-07-2011 18:19
#226

Howard, who decided that a Scottish category A player is equivalent to a pro and as such should not be allowed to enter this event?

Posted by Macleod00 on 21-07-2011 19:20
#227

Macleod00 wrote:
howard miller wrote:
Macleod00 wrote:
Absolutely appropriate to call an EGM. It would be awful if players in the North, irrespective of organisation, are ripped off AGAIN because of the banning rule.

If provision is not made for players in the north to compete in this it will reenforce the uncomfortable truth, discussed in previous threads on IM2 and the 2 doubles comps, that the SPA is a central belt organisation.


Am not asking you what rules you play or prefer Mac, and am most certainly not going to get involved in your last comment, other than if I may say in Ross and Mick M, who I have known seemingly all my adult life there are two of my friends who I trust toally and implicitly. But hey that was transgressing a bit, what I am really interested in and perhaps you could help me here is where you define 'Players in the North?'

Hi howard, i play in both the Inverness league (SPA) and the Elgin league (SEPF) so therefore play and enjoy both rulesets thoroughly. When i say 'ripped off' i mean that i our geographical area we could realistically have regular 96 player tournaments for big money. We dont because we cannot reach a compromise about pool rules, sad isnt it!

I obviously appreciate that in the Granite City, WR traditionally has always been by far the most popular rules played. I totally accept that, but is your 'North comment' refering to Aberdeen or beyond that?
Were you talking Inverness fopr example Mac, where I am told, even though there are some great players who do play WR the leagues affiliate to BB.

See above for what I am getting at. I would love to see more crossover between 2 big leagues in our region in order to grow the game in our part of the country. We should be looking to eachother to further the game and venues like rileys inverness should be utilised better to further this ambition.


Further more, if that is the case and if I understand things correctly, with the rules as they current;y stand and of which the SPA players presumably voted on, then that might well prevent BB players entering this event for fear of being banned from other BB events in the future.

Yes my problem is that this is wrong. Why should players be stopped from playing in a quality comp like this simply because they are told to by guys further south who are not in the same situation? It doesnt make sense.


I just need to try and get my head very firmly around the pros and cons, if only to try and get a workabl;e solution that will at least appease.

I fear that it will have to be you that determines the solution because the SPA exec seem very inflexible on issues like this. Sad really. I expect that it will be the tyranny of the majority that holds sway in the end. Nk doubt the qualifier, if there is one, will be played to BB rules anyway.


I need to lie down!:|

With the amount of typing you do on here and elsewhere I am not surprised! Sore eyes?! ;)


So Rileys Inverness qualifier will be played to BB rules then? Thought so!

A bit of a shame to put the majority of SEPF Region 4 players, who use the Inverness venue for both tournaments and for pleasure, at a disadvantage if they enter.

Inverness is only 35 miles from Elgin whilst Aberdeen is 65 miles. Just trying to keep down the carbon footprint you understand...

Not to worry Howard, we'll forgive you if you open a wee Rileys for us asap! smdog

Posted by Steed Snr on 21-07-2011 19:35
#228

knowledge wrote:
Howard, who decided that a Scottish category A player is equivalent to a pro and as such should not be allowed to enter this event?
Ross said on another thread that there was only two real pros in scottish pool (jay and goobs) so how is it that 45 SPA members cant play in this

Posted by alligator on 21-07-2011 22:58
#229

Bang on lads this cat A thing really is getting ridiculous.

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 21-07-2011 23:49
#230

maybe everyone that WANTED or VOTED for the Cats to be brought in....in the first place are now wishing they hadnt.

aaaahhhhh the CAT SYSTEM EH.......

said from day one that it was a Joke....

Quality.....Pure Quality.....

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 21-07-2011 23:54
#231

so Ross says that Goobs and Jay are Class and the rest of yeez are

...................P I S H...................

LMFAO

this is getting funnier with every read......

what about the Current Scottish Champion?

What about Mcdowel?

What about the Bossman?

What about Boyle?

Jeezo....deary me......

smhmm

Posted by alligator on 22-07-2011 00:50
#232

Bossman is the current Scottish champion , the problem is more
with guys like John Brownlie who is getting penalised for playing
for Scotland when other guys could knock that chance back and not miss
out on this event.

Where is the fairness in guys like Antz and Maxi being allowed to play and guys like John , Billy , Aldo not being allowed none of
these 3 guys have ever won an SPA event but some of the Cat B
players have won numerous SPA events an absolute joke.

Posted by maxi on 22-07-2011 01:18
#233

alligator wrote:
Where is the fairness in guys like Antz and Maxi being allowed to play and guys like John , Billy , Aldo not being allowed none of
these 3 guys have ever won an SPA event but some of the Cat B
players have won numerous SPA events an absolute joke.


Are you saying the players in the current A team are not the best players?

How much you want bet that all three players you quoted HAVE won an SPA event?

How can you use that sentence and then use my name in contrast, what have I won which either of those three have not won?

Afraid you can't have your cake AND eat it.

Posted by alligator on 22-07-2011 01:37
#234

YOU HAVE WON THE SAME SPA EVENT AS THEM YOU HAVE GOOD TEAM MATES ALSO RUUUUUUUUUUFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

Posted by alligator on 22-07-2011 01:38
#235

Singles events that include all the top players I was meaning.

Posted by maxi on 22-07-2011 01:50
#236

alligator wrote:
Singles events that include all the top players I was meaning.


Well say what you mean then.

If that's what you mean then why is my name there?

I have not won an SPA singles event with all the top players.

Posted by alligator on 22-07-2011 01:54
#237

The guys in the current A team are IMO the top players available for selection

Jayson Shaw
Scott Gillespie
Scott Ross
Alex Mcdowell
Mark Boyle

NOW WHAT DO THEY ALL HAVE IN COMMON WITH THE EXCEPTION
OF CUE SPORTS PRO MARK ?

Answer plenty SPA singles titles under there belts.

Pat Holtz unavailable , Ross Mcinness unavailable , myself possible
player manager only play if required Gavin Philips , Antz morrison.

All SPA IM or Scottish singles winners that is your A category players
Paul Mcutcheon , Paddy Moir , Johnny Kemp , Paddy Mcmullan.

Massive difference in winning a major SPA title and being selected for a 15 man Scotland team Maxi I rest my case.

Posted by alligator on 22-07-2011 01:57
#238

Your names there because you are as good a player and won more
than some of the players excluded dont you agree ?

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 22-07-2011 07:44
#239

Everyones target in POOL is to HOPEFULLY one day get selected for the Scotland A team Renz.

Not eat humble pie because they have reached that goal and in doing so is NOT allowed to enter certain Tournaments.

Ive moaned from day one regarding the Cat System and how it isnt fair for ANY Cat A to get demoted yet a Cat B stays where he/she is.

My Goal was to reach Cat A standard, however with the current Scotland A Team set up this will now be Very unlikely, cutting it down to 5 man, IMO will affect players opinion and attendance of the I.M. now.

What acheivable GOAL do I now have with the 5 man set up?

Billy, John, Bash have their Prize Renz, they have represented Scotland at the Highest Level, most of us just DREAM of doing that now.

I would swap with ANY of them in a Heart beat.

Yet were all moaning because certain pool players cant enter a Tournament.

as maxi says WE cant have our cake and eat it.


Posted by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 09:02
#240

SPA members have to know that it is Riley's that are saying the top players not only from Scotland cannot play in their event.

We in Scotland do put our top players into the A catagory so it is easy for Riley's to see who these players are but some like Antz who is not in that Catagory will also not be able to play in this event because of the way Riley's look at THEIR selection on who can and who cannot play.

Riley's only want genuine players who have never won any major events of this kind to enter and have a chance of winning someting big for once.

If you look at the SEPF players, they don't have Cats but all their Internationals will not be alowed to enter the same as England, tons of players there Wales both sets and the Irish all their top players.

Even if someone enters the event thinking they are ok, they will soon get their money back once Riley's check up on them, to give you an example big Paddy Moir no longer plays pool but Riley's do know about him because the person in charge of this event has known players and can find out about players from every country, Paddy would not be allowed to enter even though he does not playor has not played for years, WHY, because that is the way Riley's want to do this event, nothing to do with Catagories, they will say who they think is to good for this event no matter what we or anyone else thinks.

Posted by patchat on 22-07-2011 09:09
#241

Does that mean you won't ban them Ross ?

Posted by knowledge on 22-07-2011 09:14
#242

Even though Rileys don't want us in their event will we still be able to go to their clubs and pay over inflated prices for mediocre tables and ridiculous prices for food and drink, or are we banned from that as well?

Edited by knowledge on 22-07-2011 09:17

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 09:34
#243

patchat wrote:
Does that mean you won't ban them Ross ?


Pat if that is your name, I don't ban anyone.

If you look at Howard post you will see that 6 areas in Scotland will be qualifying by playing BB two areas in Scotland will be qualifying playing WRs.

I think that is very fair for both bodies.

Now that Riley's have came out and said this the SPA will work very hard to get as many players that are eligible to enter to do so, we want our members to play in great events like this, the 6/8 qualifiers will go straight into the finals to be played in England, to another set of rules but that is because Riley's did not want to go with any one governing body not just here in Scotland but in England Wales and Ireland.

I hope that whoever qualifies from Scotland will go on to win the event and the £2500 first prize.

It is now up to both bodies to show Riley's that our players want to play in this event by getting as many players to enter, this way Riley's will find out for themselves more about Scottish pool.

I will be asking Riley's to allow the SPA area reps to take entries, I believe this will be much better for our players rather than getting them to send their enteris direct to Riley's and nothing against Riley's managers I will be asking that the SPA set up their own tournament officails to run the qualifiers in 6 of the areas, our personnel will then be able to list all players on this website giving full facts regarding draws frames etc for the regional play offs.

Ths is an opportunity for our players to play in one of the best events of the year and the SPA will help in anyway to make this event a success for it's players.

Posted by knowledge on 22-07-2011 09:57
#244

I see therileys banner is still on our homepage, how much do they pay for that and should "supporting Scottish pool" not be changed to "supporting some of Scottish pool"?

Posted by patchat on 22-07-2011 10:33
#245

FlyingScotsman wrote:
patchat wrote:
Does that mean you won't ban them Ross ?


Pat if that is your name, I don't ban anyone.

If you look at Howard post you will see that 6 areas in Scotland will be qualifying by playing BB two areas in Scotland will be qualifying playing WRs.

I think that is very fair for both bodies.

Now that Riley's have came out and said this the SPA will work very hard to get as many players that are eligible to enter to do so, we want our members to play in great events like this, the 6/8 qualifiers will go straight into the finals to be played in England, to another set of rules but that is because Riley's did not want to go with any one governing body not just here in Scotland but in England Wales and Ireland.

I hope that whoever qualifies from Scotland will go on to win the event and the £2500 first prize.
I'm puzzled.
You 're encouraging people to enter a comp. whereby later rounds are played to Rileys rules but would ban the same players if they played those rules in earlier rounds.

It is now up to both bodies to show Riley's that our players want to play in this event by getting as many players to enter, this way Riley's will find out for themselves more about Scottish pool.

I will be asking Riley's to allow the SPA area reps to take entries, I believe this will be much better for our players rather than getting them to send their enteris direct to Riley's and nothing against Riley's managers I will be asking that the SPA set up their own tournament officails to run the qualifiers in 6 of the areas, our personnel will then be able to list all players on this website giving full facts regarding draws frames etc for the regional play offs.

Ths is an opportunity for our players to play in one of the best events of the year and the SPA will help in anyway to make this event a success for it's players.

Posted by patchat on 22-07-2011 10:35
#246

I'm puzzled.
You're encouraging players to enter a comp. whereby later rounds played to Rileys Rules , but would ban the same players if they play Rileys Rules in early rounds.

Posted by maxi on 22-07-2011 10:48
#247

patchat wrote:
I'm puzzled.
You're encouraging players to enter a comp. whereby later rounds played to Rileys Rules , but would ban the same players if they play Rileys Rules in early rounds.


But they will be playing Rileys Rules down in England. The SPA don't stop any of it's members playing whatever rules they like outside of Scotland.

This is getting a bit boring repeating ones self.

Posted by patchat on 22-07-2011 10:55
#248

How would allowing players to play Rileys rules in early rounds encourage new governing bodies to spring up and entice your membership away?

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 10:58
#249

You have it wrong son, 6 areas will be played to BB rules and two will be to WRs.

The finals in England will be to Riley's rules.

Posted by maxi on 22-07-2011 11:07
#250

patchat wrote:
How would allowing players to play Rileys rules in early rounds encourage new governing bodies to spring up and entice your membership away?


It won't be but only allowing SPA current rule set to be played it prevents anyone using loopholes.

Posted by knowledge on 22-07-2011 11:23
#251

maxi wrote:
patchat wrote:
How would allowing players to play Rileys rules in early rounds encourage new governing bodies to spring up and entice your membership away?


It won't be but only allowing SPA current rule set to be played it prevents anyone using loopholes.


Surely using one set of rules in qualifying and another at the finals IS a loophole?

Here's a better idea force Rileys to select WR or BB and run the whole tourney to those rules.

Let's see which ruleset a large cuesport based company has faith in for the future.

Posted by Woody on 22-07-2011 11:24
#252

knowledge wrote:
maxi wrote:
patchat wrote:
How would allowing players to play Rileys rules in early rounds encourage new governing bodies to spring up and entice your membership away?


It won't be but only allowing SPA current rule set to be played it prevents anyone using loopholes.


Surely using one set of rules in qualifying and another at the finals IS a loophole?

Here's a better idea force Rileys to select WR or BB and run the whole tourney to those rules.

Let's see which ruleset a large cuesport based company has faith in for the future.


9 ball

Posted by maxi on 22-07-2011 11:35
#253

I think from a business point of view it would be extremely foolish of Rileys to PICK one set of rules and therefore alienate the other bodies.

Posted by knowledge on 22-07-2011 11:42
#254

It would be honest though, and given this is not going to ever be sorted from within pool if a company like rileys did this it cpuld be the first domino that started the collapse of one ruleset and united the game.

Obviously people like yourself and rileys who treat pool as a business have to embrace both rulesets in Scotland, I understand that the likes of you will never put the good of the game before money, I just think it would be nice if you did.

Posted by maxi on 22-07-2011 11:51
#255

knowledge wrote:
It would be honest though, and given this is not going to ever be sorted from within pool if a company like rileys did this it cpuld be the first domino that started the collapse of one ruleset and united the game.

Obviously people like yourself and rileys who treat pool as a business have to embrace both rulesets in Scotland, I understand that the likes of you will never put the good of the game before money, I just think it would be nice if you did.


Please explain how exactly I make money from WR?

And if I don't put the good of the game before money then who else has ran a tournament to BB and had the best WR and BB attend it in Scotland?

Posted by alligator on 22-07-2011 11:55
#256

Ross has thats exactly Johns point.

Posted by maxi on 22-07-2011 12:03
#257

alligator wrote:
Ross has thats exactly Johns point.


What has Ross got to do with it, John was replying to my post so was directing his post at me personally, not Ross.

Posted by alligator on 22-07-2011 12:16
#258

Well you are both pool promoters who allow WR players to play
in your tours so I could be wrong but think John was making
this point to both of you and not you personally.

Posted by knowledge on 22-07-2011 12:18
#259

You allow WR players into your events, this makes them more viable and allows players you sponsor to enhance their earnings, thereby enhancing your own earnings.

Having (along with Renzie) got the lions share of the money out of the joint event you staged. As a "player" it was great and these guys should be at all events. However as a member of the SPA exec for you to be enhancing your own earnings via these guys whilst supporting the choice rule may be "good business" but that does not make it right.

Particularly given you are not long looking to get players debt suspended by the SPA for these same events.

In today's world "good business" seems to be a defence for everything and as long as decisions are taken by people whose earnings are linked to the game, the game will never move forward.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 12:18
#260

Can i answer that one, Renzie John Maxi.

I do make a living from the game but not just from the SPA I make it from all pool events that I am involved with.
Now for me as a promoter I would make more from having more players playing the game, that is why when I do my own tour or other events I let anyone play and some of these events are not in Scotland and some of these events are not played to BB rules.

Having said all that I do believe the only way forward is to having one set of rules, I don't care if they are WRs or BB rules or any rules just as long as there is one set and it is controlled by the one governing body the WPA, this way the game will go forward and young players of today will have a better chance of making a living from the game, you lot out there will say that no one could make a living from the small ball game but that is not true, it is happening right now in South Africa, so if they can do it, we can.

Two other things, the SPA membership decided on the Choice Policy, I know that certain people from both sides of pool in Scotland are trying very hard to get an agreement for this to change but I have pointed out that other countries who have done this have went backwards, so unless any agreement is good for the SPA I don't see them changing, MY OPINION.

Lastly the Riley event is for players who are not top of the tree, who have not won something big, we cannot tell anyone how to run their events, who can play or what rules to play it to, what we can do and we have done is point out to any company that the SPA has a choice policy at present and if they want our members to play in Scotland in any event, right now it has to be to BB rules, Riley's now know this and have given us 6 qualifiers playing BB rules 2 more in Scotland to WRs, I think that is good for our players, I also think once they see the entries coming in, they will find out more about Scottish pool.

Posted by maxi on 22-07-2011 12:37
#261

knowledge wrote:
You allow WR players into your events, this makes them more viable and allows players you sponsor to enhance their earnings, thereby enhancing your own earnings.

Having (along with Renzie) got the lions share of the money out of the joint event you staged. As a "player" it was great and these guys should be at all events. However as a member of the SPA exec for you to be enhancing your own earnings via these guys whilst supporting the choice rule may be "good business" but that does not make it right.


That statement would only be true if by including the WR players I increased the total number of entries.

My own tour had more entries and more prizemoney at the time so by inviting these WR players, all I was doing was increasing the standard of player a notch higher therefore making it HARDER for my own sponsored playerd to lift prizemoney.

So your analysis is completely flawed John.

In spite of what you think and post, my purpose is not to make money, but to see us all play in events together.

Let me put it this way, if I had never been involved in pool ever in my life I would be a far wealthier person right now as pool has cost me a fortune over the period.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 12:44
#262

Unlike myself who is in the game to make a living from it.

Posted by knowledge on 22-07-2011 12:57
#263

Maxi, can you confirm that EVERY event you have run which included WR players was full and in fact OVER subscribed?

Otherwise I am afraid you have once again posted AT BEST a half truth.

Posted by maxi on 22-07-2011 13:13
#264

knowledge wrote:
Maxi, can you confirm that EVERY event you have run which included WR players was full and in fact OVER subscribed?

Otherwise I am afraid you have once again posted AT BEST a half truth.


Is that the same half truth of you saying I support the Choice Policy?

When have I EVER supported the choice policy?

I have started countless threads on the issue trying to find a good compromise to finally get it scrapped.

Posted by knowledge on 22-07-2011 14:52
#265

maxi wrote:
knowledge wrote:
Maxi, can you confirm that EVERY event you have run which included WR players was full and in fact OVER subscribed?

Otherwise I am afraid you have once again posted AT BEST a half truth.


Is that the same half truth of you saying I support the Choice Policy?

When have I EVER supported the choice policy?

I have started countless threads on the issue trying to find a good compromise to finally get it scrapped.


A simple "you're right John" would have sufficed. You sit on a committee that supports the choice policy. As you would say, you can't have your cake and eat it.

Posted by maxi on 22-07-2011 15:09
#266

knowledge wrote:
maxi wrote:
knowledge wrote:
Maxi, can you confirm that EVERY event you have run which included WR players was full and in fact OVER subscribed?

Otherwise I am afraid you have once again posted AT BEST a half truth.


Is that the same half truth of you saying I support the Choice Policy?

When have I EVER supported the choice policy?

I have started countless threads on the issue trying to find a good compromise to finally get it scrapped.


A simple "you're right John" would have sufficed. You sit on a committee that supports the choice policy. As you would say, you can't have your cake and eat it.


A policy is not the work of the committee John, it is the reps.

And an event does not need to be oversubscribed, if said WR players did not take up their invites then BB players would have received those invites and took them so made no difference to the total entry.

Posted by knowledge on 22-07-2011 15:16
#267

maxi wrote:

A policy is not the work of the committee John, it is the reps.



so you're saying that everything is implemented as voted by the reps?

Posted by maxi on 22-07-2011 15:23
#268

knowledge wrote:
maxi wrote:

A policy is not the work of the committee John, it is the reps.



so you're saying that everything is implemented as voted by the reps?


Did you miss the word 'policy'.

Posted by knowledge on 22-07-2011 15:36
#269

maxi wrote:
knowledge wrote:
maxi wrote:

A policy is not the work of the committee John, it is the reps.



so you're saying that everything is implemented as voted by the reps?


Did you miss the word 'policy'.


Not by as far as you missed the question.

Posted by Macleod00 on 22-07-2011 15:55
#270

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Can i answer that one, Renzie John Maxi.

I do make a living from the game but not just from the SPA I make it from all pool events that I am involved with.
Now for me as a promoter I would make more from having more players playing the game, that is why when I do my own tour or other events I let anyone play and some of these events are not in Scotland and some of these events are not played to BB rules.

Having said all that I do believe the only way forward is to having one set of rules, I don't care if they are WRs or BB rules or any rules just as long as there is one set and it is controlled by the one governing body the WPA, this way the game will go forward and young players of today will have a better chance of making a living from the game, you lot out there will say that no one could make a living from the small ball game but that is not true, it is happening right now in South Africa, so if they can do it, we can.

Two other things, the SPA membership decided on the Choice Policy, I know that certain people from both sides of pool in Scotland are trying very hard to get an agreement for this to change but I have pointed out that other countries who have done this have went backwards, so unless any agreement is good for the SPA I don't see them changing, MY OPINION.

Given we discussed Wales in another forum as having gone backwards since ditching the choice policy, I assume that is who you are talking about here. I did a wee search and found that for a country of modest population (especially in comparison to England) they have done rather well at BOTH codes in recent years. They have won the mens A event 2011 at the WR Euros and the Ladies World Championships WR 2010. They have also won Mens, Ladies and Under 21 individual events at the recent BB European Masters 2011 in Bridlington. They have also done well in Junior and Youth events.

Is that going backwards?


Lastly the Riley event is for players who are not top of the tree, who have not won something big, we cannot tell anyone how to run their events, who can play or what rules to play it to, what we can do and we have done is point out to any company that the SPA has a choice policy at present and if they want our members to play in Scotland in any event, right now it has to be to BB rules, Riley's now know this and have given us 6 qualifiers playing BB rules 2 more in Scotland to WRs, I think that is good for our players, I also think once they see the entries coming in, they will find out more about Scottish pool.

Posted by maxi on 22-07-2011 16:02
#271

Macleod00 wrote:
[u]Given we discussed Wales in another forum as having gone backwards since ditching the choice policy, I assume that is who you are talking about here. I did a wee search and found that for a country of modest population (especially in comparison to England) they have done rather well at BOTH codes in recent years. They have won the mens A event 2011 at the WR Euros and the Ladies World Championships WR 2010. They have also won Mens, Ladies and Under 21 individual events at the recent BB European Masters 2011 in Bridlington. They have also done well in Junior and Youth events.

Is that going backwards?



So they have went from being the team to beat in ALL divisions at BB to also rans and you DON'T think this is going backwards?

What you have PROVEN is that by working together all they have done is strengthen their WR side.

Well done, made Ross's point for him.

Posted by Drover on 22-07-2011 16:07
#272

they are that bad , even Shetlands fancy their chances against them now

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 16:15
#273

Macleod00 wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
Can i answer that one, Renzie John Maxi.

I do make a living from the game but not just from the SPA I make it from all pool events that I am involved with.
Now for me as a promoter I would make more from having more players playing the game, that is why when I do my own tour or other events I let anyone play and some of these events are not in Scotland and some of these events are not played to BB rules.

Having said all that I do believe the only way forward is to having one set of rules, I don't care if they are WRs or BB rules or any rules just as long as there is one set and it is controlled by the one governing body the WPA, this way the game will go forward and young players of today will have a better chance of making a living from the game, you lot out there will say that no one could make a living from the small ball game but that is not true, it is happening right now in South Africa, so if they can do it, we can.

Two other things, the SPA membership decided on the Choice Policy, I know that certain people from both sides of pool in Scotland are trying very hard to get an agreement for this to change but I have pointed out that other countries who have done this have went backwards, so unless any agreement is good for the SPA I don't see them changing, MY OPINION.

Given we discussed Wales in another forum as having gone backwards since ditching the choice policy, I assume that is who you are talking about here. I did a wee search and found that for a country of modest population (especially in comparison to England) they have done rather well at BOTH codes in recent years. They have won the mens A event 2011 at the WR Euros and the Ladies World Championships WR 2010. They have also won Mens, Ladies and Under 21 individual events at the recent BB European Masters 2011 in Bridlington. They have also done well in Junior and Youth events.

Is that going backwards?


Lastly the Riley event is for players who are not top of the tree, who have not won something big, we cannot tell anyone how to run their events, who can play or what rules to play it to, what we can do and we have done is point out to any company that the SPA has a choice policy at present and if they want our members to play in Scotland in any event, right now it has to be to BB rules, Riley's now know this and have given us 6 qualifiers playing BB rules 2 more in Scotland to WRs, I think that is good for our players, I also think once they see the entries coming in, they will find out more about Scottish pool.


Mr MacLeod, as someone who has known the Welsh a lot longer than you I can assure you that the WPA welsh that is have went backwards not only in playing but also in events.

Where this great nation once had team/international/festival of events they now have no where near that.

Years gone by the Treco Bay event was full, players came from everywhere to play in that event.
The one thing that has remained is the Welsh under 21 youth and junior sections, they always bring in champions and that is something that not only Scotland but the world of pool can learn from them.

Since they started playing two sets of rules, in my opinion they are not the same great pool body they once where, it was always them and us and now I believe there are more teams/countries ahead of them now.

Posted by Macleod00 on 22-07-2011 16:25
#274

So, demonstrating that Wales are competitive and winning titles at both codes is evidence that removing the choice policy doesn't work?

Maybe Wales were the team to beat at BB but who is to say that they won't be the team to beat at both codes after this transitional period. Surely, you don't think that they expected to reign supreme overnight? I would argue that they have a far more long term strategy that is far more progressive than anything we have. The SPA won't even discuss the way forward with the SEPF! :o

Please try to adopt a less protectionist mentality. Focus on what could be achieved by removing the policy in Scotland and how progress can be made. In the short term, we may be as successful as the Welsh (a good return for them in my book) but in the longer term we could dominate BOTH codes.

Posted by howard miller on 22-07-2011 16:49
#275

knowledge wrote:
Howard, who decided that a Scottish category A player is equivalent to a pro and as such should not be allowed to enter this event?


After speaking to numerous Scottish officials I guess it was I that took that decision, cant blame anyone else at all, but looking at some of the players falling under the category and whilst it is but an opinion I believe given who this event is aimed at that it was 100% the right decision

Posted by howard miller on 22-07-2011 17:03
#276

Macleod00 wrote:
Macleod00 wrote:
howard miller wrote:
Macleod00 wrote:
Absolutely appropriate to call an EGM. It would be awful if players in the North, irrespective of organisation, are ripped off AGAIN because of the banning rule.

If provision is not made for players in the north to compete in this it will reenforce the uncomfortable truth, discussed in previous threads on IM2 and the 2 doubles comps, that the SPA is a central belt organisation.


Am not asking you what rules you play or prefer Mac, and am most certainly not going to get involved in your last comment, other than if I may say in Ross and Mick M, who I have known seemingly all my adult life there are two of my friends who I trust toally and implicitly. But hey that was transgressing a bit, what I am really interested in and perhaps you could help me here is where you define 'Players in the North?'

Hi howard, i play in both the Inverness league (SPA) and the Elgin league (SEPF) so therefore play and enjoy both rulesets thoroughly. When i say 'ripped off' i mean that i our geographical area we could realistically have regular 96 player tournaments for big money. We dont because we cannot reach a compromise about pool rules, sad isnt it!

I obviously appreciate that in the Granite City, WR traditionally has always been by far the most popular rules played. I totally accept that, but is your 'North comment' refering to Aberdeen or beyond that?
Were you talking Inverness fopr example Mac, where I am told, even though there are some great players who do play WR the leagues affiliate to BB.

See above for what I am getting at. I would love to see more crossover between 2 big leagues in our region in order to grow the game in our part of the country. We should be looking to eachother to further the game and venues like rileys inverness should be utilised better to further this ambition.


Further more, if that is the case and if I understand things correctly, with the rules as they current;y stand and of which the SPA players presumably voted on, then that might well prevent BB players entering this event for fear of being banned from other BB events in the future.

Yes my problem is that this is wrong. Why should players be stopped from playing in a quality comp like this simply because they are told to by guys further south who are not in the same situation? It doesnt make sense.


I just need to try and get my head very firmly around the pros and cons, if only to try and get a workabl;e solution that will at least appease.

I fear that it will have to be you that determines the solution because the SPA exec seem very inflexible on issues like this. Sad really. I expect that it will be the tyranny of the majority that holds sway in the end. Nk doubt the qualifier, if there is one, will be played to BB rules anyway.


I need to lie down!:|

With the amount of typing you do on here and elsewhere I am not surprised! Sore eyes?! ;)


So Rileys Inverness qualifier will be played to BB rules then? Thought so!

A bit of a shame to put the majority of SEPF Region 4 players, who use the Inverness venue for both tournaments and for pleasure, at a disadvantage if they enter.

Inverness is only 35 miles from Elgin whilst Aberdeen is 65 miles. Just trying to keep down the carbon footprint you understand...

Not to worry Howard, we'll forgive you if you open a wee Rileys for us asap! smdog


I do know what you mean and I did, I promise you explore all alternatives, especially for both Elgin and Fraserborough players, and they I guess have a genuine choice. Simply because of geography, (though I could be wrong) I would imagine Inverness will be the least popular venue and they might enter there to BB rules or travel down to Aberdeen for a WR qualifier

What in your case I am asking you to understand, is that the lnverness league play BB rules and to hold a qualifier and play to any rules other than what the local league plays (as is the case with Aberdeen) would be folly

Posted by howard miller on 22-07-2011 17:10
#277

Steed Snr wrote:
knowledge wrote:
Howard, who decided that a Scottish category A player is equivalent to a pro and as such should not be allowed to enter this event?
Ross said on another thread that there was only two real pros in scottish pool (jay and goobs) so how is it that 45 SPA members cant play in this


You asked a question and even if you dont agree with it I will answer thus.I personally dont think there are many professional pool players in the UK full stop, regardless of the criteria used to judge them.

The intention of this event is to give those players, who good as some may be, are not the best, are not 'professinal' standard.
The type of players who are capable of beating a lot of top players on their day but for many reasons have never won, and will never do so in the future any of the biggest events

There are many players who aren't category A or dont play on the IPA tour that might try their arm and enter, and yes it means a judgement call has to be taken and they will not be allowed to, and I cite organisers decision is final in being able to do that. But for once, just once as happend when we did this event three years ago we want to see a food player have his(or her) 15 minutes of fame

We shall see I guess, but thats the aim

Edited by howard miller on 22-07-2011 17:50

Posted by Macleod00 on 22-07-2011 17:12
#278

Yes Howard I understand what you have done and that you have considered all parties. That is all that can be done.

So no chance of a Rileys then? Decent population and growing in Elgin, most babies born with cue in hand too. Whadya say? smflower

Posted by howard miller on 22-07-2011 17:19
#279

FlyingScotsman wrote:
SPA members have to know that it is Riley's that are saying the top players not only from Scotland cannot play in their event.

We in Scotland do put our top players into the A catagory so it is easy for Riley's to see who these players are but some like Antz who is not in that Catagory will also not be able to play in this event because of the way Riley's look at THEIR selection on who can and who cannot play.

Riley's only want genuine players who have never won any major events of this kind to enter and have a chance of winning someting big for once.

If you look at the SEPF players, they don't have Cats but all their Internationals will not be alowed to enter the same as England, tons of players there Wales both sets and the Irish all their top players.

Even if someone enters the event thinking they are ok, they will soon get their money back once Riley's check up on them, to give you an example big Paddy Moir no longer plays pool but Riley's do know about him because the person in charge of this event has known players and can find out about players from every country, Paddy would not be allowed to enter even though he does not playor has not played for years, WHY, because that is the way Riley's want to do this event, nothing to do with Catagories, they will say who they think is to good for this event no matter what we or anyone else thinks.


To be fair though it irks me say Ross gets anything right (:@) this is a really accurate description of what will happen and why we have done what we have done.
Will our rules penalise some that really should be in the event?
Probabaly, certainly in fact, it did three years ago when in truth there were half a dozen or so PPPO members that I would have played for a few quid but who couldnt enter simply because of their PPO membership. This will happen regardless of the criteria, the point being though the rules will hopefully leave a pretty level playing field.
Without saying we are right some of you might not know how long we, and I have been in pool, and I know most players, or certainly knw people who will know most players, and the example ROSS uses above is spot on, Paddy might meet the cat A classification, but I have know Paddy for donkeys and I know what a class player he is

Posted by howard miller on 22-07-2011 17:26
#280

knowledge wrote:
I see therileys banner is still on our homepage, how much do they pay for that and should "supporting Scottish pool" not be changed to "supporting some of Scottish pool"?


I dont know you sir and I have let some of your comments go unchallenged, and still will but this is is so unfair.

Whenever we have been asked to sponsor and or support any SEPF we have done so, we have done so without discrimination or favour. In fact I first agreed to sponsor them I think in 2008, when we simaltaneously also sponsored the Abedeen league, so actually even though you disagree I would counter that we do indeed support Scottish pool full stop!

Posted by alligator on 22-07-2011 17:34
#281

The guy Knowledge is actually a SPA player Howard so think you
may have misconscrued his post. The guy has a problem with Ross and Maxi and has a dig at them whenever he can.

Think it would be fair to say he aint the most liked fellow in the SPA.

Posted by howard miller on 22-07-2011 17:37
#282

knowledge wrote:
maxi wrote:
patchat wrote:
How would allowing players to play Rileys rules in early rounds encourage new governing bodies to spring up and entice your membership away?


It won't be but only allowing SPA current rule set to be played it prevents anyone using loopholes.


Surely using one set of rules in qualifying and another at the finals IS a loophole?

Here's a better idea force Rileys to select WR or BB and run the whole tourney to those rules.

Let's see which ruleset a large cuesport based company has faith in for the future.


You again sir?

You are obviously not a pool historian. What on earth makes you think, even for a second that if forced to choose one set of rules we would do so between BB or WR?

If we were to choose a set of rules it would be madness were we to do so between two sets that were by any definition, certainly over the UK as a whole a minority set?

Posted by howard miller on 22-07-2011 17:40
#283

knowledge wrote:
It would be honest though, and given this is not going to ever be sorted from within pool if a company like rileys did this it cpuld be the first domino that started the collapse of one ruleset and united the game.

Obviously people like yourself and rileys who treat pool as a business have to embrace both rulesets in Scotland, I understand that the likes of you will never put the good of the game before money, I just think it would be nice if you did.


The only way it could happen was if we chose to endorse one governing body over another, and at the moment as we support both (all over the UK) and so many leagues who affiiate to both commerically it simply wouldnt make sense

We simply cant right the wrongs of 25 years of acrimony and vested interests no matter how hard we would like to

Posted by Del E on 22-07-2011 18:28
#284

Firstly id like to start by saying well done to riley's and hopefully this will be the start for all of scottish pool to come together as one.

been trying to find answer's to these but couldn't find them if anyone does know could they help me out(or Howard himself).

1. is it just cat a player's that cant enter from the SPA?
2.can you try to qualify for more than 1 event from a different riley's?
3.how many qualify from each venue?(out of the 8 venue's in total)
4.do you know what dates the finals will be?

i do apologise if these have been answered or asked before but this is a long thread to go through and find.

Cheers
Derek Easton.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 18:47
#285

No as posted before top players who have won major events will not be allowed to play in this event, they may enter but will get their money back.

2/ Let Howard answer that.

3/ 0ne.

4/ Listed on Riley's home page.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 18:49
#286

Stupid me, all the qualifiers are held on the same date.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 18:51
#287

Macleod00 wrote:
So, demonstrating that Wales are competitive and winning titles at both codes is evidence that removing the choice policy doesn't work?

Maybe Wales were the team to beat at BB but who is to say that they won't be the team to beat at both codes after this transitional period. Surely, you don't think that they expected to reign supreme overnight? I would argue that they have a far more long term strategy that is far more progressive than anything we have. The SPA won't even discuss the way forward with the SEPF! :o

Please try to adopt a less protectionist mentality. Focus on what could be achieved by removing the policy in Scotland and how progress can be made. In the short term, we may be as successful as the Welsh (a good return for them in my book) but in the longer term we could dominate BOTH codes.


What you are saying is the welsh boys are doing better at the WRs comp, again you are proving my point, the SPA are there to look after their members who play their rules in their events, they are not there to make better teams for other bodies that play different rules.

The SPA do not want to dominate both sets of rules, at present we do rather well at BB International events, why should we change that, the only thing you are doing is showing/proving the SPA members WHY they should not drop the choice policy.

Edited by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 18:58

Posted by Macleod00 on 22-07-2011 19:47
#288

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Macleod00 wrote:
So, demonstrating that Wales are competitive and winning titles at both codes is evidence that removing the choice policy doesn't work?

Maybe Wales were the team to beat at BB but who is to say that they won't be the team to beat at both codes after this transitional period. Surely, you don't think that they expected to reign supreme overnight? I would argue that they have a far more long term strategy that is far more progressive than anything we have. The SPA won't even discuss the way forward with the SEPF! :o

Please try to adopt a less protectionist mentality. Focus on what could be achieved by removing the policy in Scotland and how progress can be made. In the short term, we may be as successful as the Welsh (a good return for them in my book) but in the longer term we could dominate BOTH codes.


What you are saying is the welsh boys are doing better at the WRs comp, again you are proving my point, the SPA are there to look after their members who play their rules in their events, they are not there to make better teams for other bodies that play different rules.

The SPA do not want to dominate both sets of rules, at present we do rather well at BB International events, why should we change that, the only thing you are doing is showing/proving the SPA members WHY they should not drop the choice policy.


Nonsense. What I am trying to demonstrate is that there is a way for Scotland to move forward as one, using Wales as an example of one way of doing it. They are doing rather well at BOTH codes!! It just so happens they are doing well at WR team events and BB individuals. This does not mean they are doing badly!

What if we had one governing body in Scotland (as several people on here have suggested) and we send players to International Comps for both rulesets? That way we wouldn't be giving other bodies better players as you put it. This would be another way of doing what Wales are doing.

I agree that the SPA do very well at International BB events but surely that is no reason to rest on that success. It is my view that as a nation we should be striving for success and dominance in ALL international 8ball pool events. Unfortunately, not all of these are played to BB rules and it is almost certain they never will be. The Welsh appear to realise that and are making their move accordingly.

I hope that we can get it right sooner rather than later before we miss an opportunity to get together for the benefit of the game in our country.

Posted by Del E on 22-07-2011 19:52
#289

FlyingScotsman wrote:
No as posted before top players who have won major events will not be allowed to play in this event, they may enter but will get their money back.

2/ Let Howard answer that.

3/ 0ne.

4/ Listed on Riley's home page.


thanks ross

Posted by Macleod00 on 22-07-2011 20:12
#290

http://www.cueclu...-2011.aspx

The Welsh perspective explained a bit...

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 20:30
#291

LOL You have the Chairman of the Welsh WRS coming on and telling it as it is.

I have known Wayne since he was a boy, when he joined the PPPO, so don't show me things I already know, tell the SPA members how you know that the Welsh since allowing everyone to play any rules have not went downhill.

Mac Leod when will you learn that what you want is not what the SPA membership wants, why should a body that is doing so well change unless it helps them, answer that.

Edited by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 20:42

Posted by alligator on 22-07-2011 20:39
#292

LOL membwership your typing the way you talk noo LMAO.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 20:42
#293

MacLeod, this is under the Riley's £10000 event.

YLets see how good your word is, the Riley's event will have a qualifier from Riley's in Inverness, how many of your players.SEPF ,will travel 35 miles to play in this, will you enter.

There is nothing stoping you from doing so.

Once the figures come in for all the areas I think, that you will find that the SPA members will support this event, will your fellow SEPF members do the same in their two areas or are they just all mouth.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 20:48
#294

alligator wrote:
LOL membwership your typing the way you talk noo LMAO.


LOL when someone starts telling me history about pool but does not know the first thing about it, it makes me mad.

I have nothing against the boy Renzie but he wants what the SEPF wants our players, why should the SPA give any chance of losing what they have without the SEPF giving something back.

Certain people have told lies, outright lies to Riley's and other sponsors and it gets my back up, then they come on here and say how it is unfair they cannot play in our events, that it would be better for everyone to play any rules.
The SPA membership will decide if any changes should be made, I know I can go on a bit but they want it all their way, should Celtic and Rangers Hearts Hibs Aberdeen and the rest of the premiership do what the first division wants then to do without getting something back, you tell me.

Posted by Macleod00 on 22-07-2011 20:49
#295

FlyingScotsman wrote:
LOL You have the Chairman of the Welsh WRS coming on and telling it as it is.
Relevant to what we were discussing though surely?

I have known Wayne since he was a boy, when he joined the PPPO, so don't show me things I already know, tell the SPA members how you know that the Welsh since allowing everyone to play any rules have not went downhill.

It wasn't just for your benefit Ross. It was for the other people that use this site. I provided a bit of evidence earlier as regards the downhill bit, please refer to that.

Mac Leod when will you learn that what you want is not what the SPA membwership wants, why should a body that is doing so well change unless it helps them, answer that.

It doesn't matter if what I want is not what the SPA membership wants at this time. It is important that alternative views are aired here so that the SPA membership can read them. I am sorry that you don't seem to like it.

However, I do retain some hope that the membership will one day in the future want help facilitate a Scotland where you can pick up a cue and play pool without having to check if its ok first.

I have already said that I admire the progress and success that the SPA has had. The change I would like to see would unite Scotland again as a pool nation. That change, properly negotiated and implemented, would most certainly benefit the SPA membership.



Off to pub now. Will need to pick this up later. Cheers for now!

Posted by alligator on 22-07-2011 20:57
#296

Ross I like Wayne think he talks a lot of sense and he has always
had issues with the EBA/EUKPF and to be fair a lot of his grievances
are bang on. Hopefully the EBA can turn the corner after this farce
that is happening in Carlow.

Must admit I dont hold out much hope for massive changes hope
I am wrong.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 21:00
#297

The reason I posted that you are the Chairman of that region was you have informed Inverness that you would not play in WRs events, how loyal is that?

If you want to show the SPA members how they can benefit from getting together all well and good, please do so on here so that the members can look this over.

Edited by FlyingScotsman on 22-07-2011 22:13

Posted by Macleod00 on 23-07-2011 10:57
#298

FlyingScotsman wrote:
The reason I posted that you are the Chairman of that region was you have informed Inverness that you would not play in WRs events, how loyal is that?

If you want to show the SPA members how they can benefit from getting together all well and good, please do so on here so that the members can look this over.



Yes.  I did inform my teammates in Inverness that I would like to try playing in SPA events.  The problem was that I was given eroneous information about the lengths that I would have to go to in order to make it happen.  At no time did I expect that I would have to stop playing in my local league.  I thought that stopping playing in SEPF events was what I needed to do.  No disloyalty, just misinformation.  

Imagine the choice policy being a bit confusing eh?! :)

As regards benefits for the SPA should (i) a merger take place or (ii) the choice policy be removed are, as far as I can see, fivefold.  

1. The SPA members can be free to play in any competition that they like without fear.  They can enjoy a game of pool with friends or aspire to play in any international event that they like.

2. Scotland would be united again as one pool nation.  The SPA members should be proud to want drive this as having Scotland together is worth fighting for.  

3. All entries for IMs, Superleagues, national comps would increase.  Meaning that there would be more money in tournaments that coukd be utilised as prizemoney or international funding or whatever.

4.  SPA members could benefit from larger tours/tournaments that cover ALL of Scotland and are spread out accordingly.  North, South, East and West.  

5.  The SPA membership could be the driving force in setting an example to other countries and national/international bodies on how to move forward.  As Scotland has pioneered before with success, it can do so again.

The main benefit, of those listed above, is the unification of pool in Scotland. Thats what we should be aiming for.

Posted by Macleod00 on 23-07-2011 11:02
#299

FlyingScotsman wrote:
MacLeod, this is under the Riley's £10000 event.

YLets see how good your word is, the Riley's event will have a qualifier from Riley's in Inverness, how many of your players.SEPF ,will travel 35 miles to play in this, will you enter.

There is nothing stoping you from doing so.

Once the figures come in for all the areas I think, that you will find that the SPA members will support this event, will your fellow SEPF members do the same in their two areas or are they just all mouth.


I can't enter this but will certainly be encouraging the guys from our area to enter. Not sure if they will enter the Inverness or Aberdeen qualifier. That will be up to them.

Posted by Macleod00 on 23-07-2011 11:13
#300

FlyingScotsman wrote:
alligator wrote:
LOL membwership your typing the way you talk noo LMAO.


LOL when someone starts telling me history about pool but does not know the first thing about it, it makes me mad.

Lol! I haven't told you anything. I have a different opinion. That is all.

I have nothing against the boy Renzie but he wants what the SEPF wants our players, why should the SPA give any chance of losing what they have without the SEPF giving something back.

How do you know what will be given back or negotiated? You won't talk to the SEPF as far as I understand it!

Certain people have told lies, outright lies to Riley's and other sponsors and it gets my back up, then they come on here and say how it is unfair they cannot play in our events, that it would be better for everyone to play any rules.

The SPA membership will decide if any changes should be made, I know I can go on a bit but they want it all their way, should Celtic and Rangers Hearts Hibs Aberdeen and the rest of the premiership do what the first division wants then to do without getting something back, you tell me.

See above. Meet and discuss things. Progressive rather thean protectionist policy will see the SPA grow even more in my opinion.


Ross, I have no axe to grind nor hidden agenda. I do not have the power to make any of these changes happen. I am simply a pool player that wants the best for ALL pool players in Scotland. I have yet to see a convincing, morally right argument for imposing bans on fellow pool players.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 23-07-2011 12:02
#301

Macleod00 wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
MacLeod, this is under the Riley's £10000 event.

YLets see how good your word is, the Riley's event will have a qualifier from Riley's in Inverness, how many of your players.SEPF ,will travel 35 miles to play in this, will you enter.

There is nothing stoping you from doing so.

Once the figures come in for all the areas I think, that you will find that the SPA members will support this event, will your fellow SEPF members do the same in their two areas or are they just all mouth.


I can't enter this but will certainly be encouraging the guys from our area to enter. Not sure if they will enter the Inverness or Aberdeen qualifier. That will be up to them.


Why can't you enter, are you on holiday?

Posted by Macleod00 on 23-07-2011 13:06
#302

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Macleod00 wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
MacLeod, this is under the Riley's £10000 event.

YLets see how good your word is, the Riley's event will have a qualifier from Riley's in Inverness, how many of your players.SEPF ,will travel 35 miles to play in this, will you enter.

There is nothing stoping you from doing so.

Once the figures come in for all the areas I think, that you will find that the SPA members will support this event, will your fellow SEPF members do the same in their two areas or are they just all mouth.


I can't enter this but will certainly be encouraging the guys from our area to enter. Not sure if they will enter the Inverness or Aberdeen qualifier. That will be up to them.


Why can't you enter, are you on holiday?


A victim of the terms and conditions unfortunately.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 23-07-2011 13:10
#303

Lost me Mr MacLeod?

Posted by Macleod00 on 23-07-2011 13:28
#304

I have represented Scotland in international competition in the last 3 years. That, unfortunately, rules me out.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 23-07-2011 14:34
#305

I see.

Posted by shanizzo on 23-07-2011 15:21
#306

Can I enter this Ross??

I'm murder now, and the last time I won a tournament, I had to move my fringe out of my eyes to pot the last black!!!!

My ability is receding almost as fast as my hair line!!!!

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 23-07-2011 15:28
#307

Sorry son nothing to do with me who enters and who does not but you have no chance of getting in.

Posted by knowledge on 23-07-2011 16:43
#308

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Sorry son nothing to do with me who enters and who does not but you have no chance of getting in.


He's cat B Ross so he should be OK. The categories have been well thought out and are being used for this event so you shouldn't be overruling them. Put Johnny Kemp and Mark Gillulley in as well.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 23-07-2011 16:50
#309

John if you look back over a few posts you will see that Howard has already said players of Antz calibre will not be allowed to play in this event.

I put in the example of big Paddy Moir, not played for years but has won major events like Antz, no chance for him and no chance of others like him.




Posted by knowledge on 23-07-2011 17:01
#310

So you reckon there are cat B guys who are better than cat A guys?

Posted by alligator on 23-07-2011 17:18
#311

I reckon so for what its worth John , thats why the TC should
look at each individual for the cat A section but we already know
that.

Posted by samuri on 23-07-2011 17:46
#312

find this very frustrating that the finals is on when we have 15's getting played at pettycur!! no point anyone who's playing that weekend entering, shocking really...

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 23-07-2011 18:15
#313

Darren I think you will find that the finals are on the 12th of Nov.

Riley's put their dates out before the SPA reps added another B event.

As there will be only 6 players from the SPA going there and they will come from 6 different areas, I don't think this will really make much of a difference to teams.

Players can still enter knowing if they do qualify then their league will bring in a reserve.

One other thing is the finals are on Sat the 12th only one day, go down there, win the event and come back up to help your teasm win the Supers, would be a fantastic weekend?

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 23-07-2011 18:17
#314

knowledge wrote:
So you reckon there are cat B guys who are better than cat A guys?


I never said that John but if you want my opinion then yes.

I know that there are players out there that are as good or even better than some A players, some of these guys don't play much pool now but if they did, well yes tthey should be Cat As.

Remember I am not in the TC, they have the hardest job in the SPA and it will get harder as we ask them to bring in more Cats and sort the Supers out.

Posted by knowledge on 23-07-2011 18:20
#315

alligator wrote:
I reckon so for what its worth John , thats why the TC should
look at each individual for the cat A section but we already know
that.

smclap

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 23-07-2011 18:27
#316

FlyingScotsman wrote:
[quote they have the hardest job in the SPA and it will get harder as we ask them to bring in more Cats and sort the Supers out.


the best thing to do....is just SCRAP the cats all together Ross.

Posted by alligator on 23-07-2011 18:33
#317

A great example is the Buzzbomb everyone knows the lad is
a class act not played for a few years and comes back on the
scene and wins one of Maxis tours but more importantly an
IM he should be instantly installed as a Cat A player.

Posted by knowledge on 23-07-2011 18:39
#318

There's loads of great examples. The TC have gone down the road they have gone down, no amount of campaigning has altered any of the errors they have made, Antz has played several 3 man etc as a cat B player and is now being victimised.

The cats are either right or wrong, Ross is not on the TC, says they have a hard job and is now overruling them. Having regularly backed them. Double standards against Antz.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 23-07-2011 19:10
#319

Whooo John , get this right, I am not overruling them Riley's are.

Riley's have decided who can and who cannot play in their event, NOT ME>

I will always back the TC as should eveyone who is a member of the SPA.

Where have you got it that I am the one deciding on who plays in this event, please look at Mr Millers post and then you can say sorry for once unless your are another Maxi and cannot say that word.

Posted by patchat on 23-07-2011 20:23
#320

Ross is right about Wales.
Just heard that the BB players who played World Rules today have been struck by plague.

Posted by patchat on 23-07-2011 20:25
#321

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Whooo John , get this right, I am not overruling them Riley's are.

Riley's have decided who can and who cannot play in their event, NOT ME>

I will always back the TC as should eveyone who is a member of the SPA.

Where have you got it that I am the one deciding on who plays in this event, please look at Mr Millers post and then you can say sorry for once unless your are another Maxi and cannot say that word.

Don't you mean Mr big mate/ my big buddy/baby baby I love you/ Howard Miller?

Edited by patchat on 23-07-2011 20:31

Posted by knowledge on 23-07-2011 20:38
#322

Ross, my point is that if, as you say, Rileys can see our categories are wrong, why can't the TC?

Howard (Rileys) has said he has based the exclusions on speaking to SPA people, that would be you. Also you're the guy who posted Antz has no chance, not Howard.

However if I am wrong I am wrong and I won't be admitting it "for once", I am wrong a lot and regularly admit it.

My purpose on here is to get people thinking, hopefully for the better.

Look on the 15s thread and see how my tying Maxi in knots has led Renzie to suggest a home and away final for the two challenge events and Maxi to backtrack and agree on a final. This is a positive step that people are trying to improve things.

That's all I want.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 23-07-2011 20:57
#323

Great John and I can see where you thought that I was telling Riley's who to let in but i can assure that is not the case.

Howard has been in the game for 30 years, he knows everything about pool.

His views on this event are quite clear, he does not want players who have won major events or players who are in the top 64 of this or Internationals or Cat As , in fact when you look at it Riley's are trying to give players who have never won a big singles prize before a chance to win £2500, what is wrong with that.

I have asked Howard if Riley's are looking to have an event for the players who cannot enter this event, I await his reply.

Posted by shanizzo on 23-07-2011 21:23
#324

knowledge wrote:
So you reckon there are cat B guys who are better than cat A guys?


Yes, but to be fair, not ALL of them!!

Posted by maxi on 23-07-2011 23:38
#325

knowledge wrote:


Look on the 15s thread and see how my tying Maxi in knots has led Renzie to suggest a home and away final for the two challenge events and Maxi to backtrack and agree on a final. This is a positive step that people are trying to improve things.

That's all I want.


Some imagination you have there John, I think you should lay off the Internet for a few days as your seriously unwell...

Posted by knowledge on 24-07-2011 00:04
#326

maxi wrote:
knowledge wrote:


Look on the 15s thread and see how my tying Maxi in knots has led Renzie to suggest a home and away final for the two challenge events and Maxi to backtrack and agree on a final. This is a positive step that people are trying to improve things.

That's all I want.


Some imagination you have there John, I think you should lay off the Internet for a few days as your seriously unwell...


Woody?

Now THAT is a belter!smlol

Posted by maxi on 24-07-2011 00:06
#327

knowledge wrote:
maxi wrote:
knowledge wrote:


Look on the 15s thread and see how my tying Maxi in knots has led Renzie to suggest a home and away final for the two challenge events and Maxi to backtrack and agree on a final. This is a positive step that people are trying to improve things.

That's all I want.


Some imagination you have there John, I think you should lay off the Internet for a few days as your seriously unwell...


Woody?

Now THAT is a belter!smlol


At least your predictable.

Posted by knowledge on 24-07-2011 00:20
#328

maxi wrote:
knowledge wrote:
maxi wrote:
knowledge wrote:


Look on the 15s thread and see how my tying Maxi in knots has led Renzie to suggest a home and away final for the two challenge events and Maxi to backtrack and agree on a final. This is a positive step that people are trying to improve things.

That's all I want.


Some imagination you have there John, I think you should lay off the Internet for a few days as your seriously unwell...


Woody?

Now THAT is a belter!smlol


At least your predictable.


Indeed I am, I post a set of facts and rather than accept that you've took (yet) another doing, you try to squirm your way out.

To make matters even better I'll be getting paid off woody for it.

Posted by Woody on 24-07-2011 09:32
#329

Take you medicine Maxi £10 via pigeon on its way to Coatbridge.

Posted by howard miller on 24-07-2011 10:31
#330

FlyingScotsman wrote:
MacLeod, this is under the Riley's £10000 event.

YLets see how good your word is, the Riley's event will have a qualifier from Riley's in Inverness, how many of your players.SEPF ,will travel 35 miles to play in this, will you enter.

There is nothing stoping you from doing so.

Once the figures come in for all the areas I think, that you will find that the SPA members will support this event, will your fellow SEPF members do the same in their two areas or are they just all mouth.


Whilst for obvious reasons I wouldn't have dreamt of putitng it quite like that I am utterly confident that the SEPF, the SEPF supporters and those who just prefer playing SEPF rules will enter both the WR qualifiers...certainly hope so anyway

Posted by howard miller on 24-07-2011 10:41
#331

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Whooo John , get this right, I am not overruling them Riley's are.

Riley's have decided who can and who cannot play in their event, NOT ME>

I will always back the TC as should eveyone who is a member of the SPA.

Where have you got it that I am the one deciding on who plays in this event, please look at Mr Millers post and then you can say sorry for once unless your are another Maxi and cannot say that word.


Look, someone has to make a decision on who is eligible and who isn't, and whpe bver bthat person is could come in for industrial criticism, I accept that.
But as people have already suggested the rules will throw up some anomalies, certainly differences to the, in your case No Cat A player exclsuion rules where top players not covered may or may not try and get in. If I think some players are simply too good, and someone has to make a call, then I will

I threw out about 20 players three years ago, and whilst a couple moaned most just accepted the fact under the 'we had to try!'

If someone is unsure and wish to check before entering if their entry will be accapted then simply ask me, that would probably be the easiest way

Posted by Del E on 24-07-2011 11:55
#332

hi Howard i asked this question a while back aswell as a few other's ross done his best to answer them but couldn't answer this one.

if you where to fail to qualify from 1 Riley's could a player try to qualify from another Riley's?

seeing as you said in your last post to ask yourself regarding entry criteria are my allowed to enter this?(as i havent won anything through the SPA but im up there in the rankings)


Derek Easton

Posted by furrybeast on 24-07-2011 12:01
#333

Del E wrote:
hi Howard i asked this question a while back aswell as a few other's ross done his best to answer them but couldn't answer this one.

if you where to fail to qualify from 1 Riley's could a player try to qualify from another Riley's?

seeing as you said in your last post to ask yourself regarding entry criteria are my allowed to enter this?(as i havent won anything through the SPA but im up there in the rankings)


Derek Easton


This was posted by Howard on CCI - there is closing date for entires, so I'd say no to your question.

Once the closing date has passed 16th September, I will then examine all entries and where they have entered from and decide on how many I(if at all) local qualifiers they wil be. I will then send out the details to all players involved which will be around the 20th/22nd of September and all those players will then get two weeks to contact each other an play their match

Posted by knowledge on 24-07-2011 12:07
#334

Del E wrote:
hi Howard i asked this question a while back aswell as a few other's ross done his best to answer them but couldn't answer this one.

if you where to fail to qualify from 1 Riley's could a player try to qualify from another Riley's?

seeing as you said in your last post to ask yourself regarding entry criteria are my allowed to enter this?(as i havent won anything through the SPA but im up there in the rankings)


Derek Easton


You're in the top 64 Derek so according to Ross's post above you can't play.

Posted by maxi on 24-07-2011 12:25
#335

Del E wrote:
hi Howard i asked this question a while back aswell as a few other's ross done his best to answer them but couldn't answer this one.

if you where to fail to qualify from 1 Riley's could a player try to qualify from another Riley's?

seeing as you said in your last post to ask yourself regarding entry criteria are my allowed to enter this?(as i havent won anything through the SPA but im up there in the rankings)


Derek Easton


Ross replied later that you can't as the qualifiers will be held on same day I'm sure.

Posted by Del E on 24-07-2011 13:13
#336

thanks for the response

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 24-07-2011 13:27
#337

knowledge wrote:
Del E wrote:
hi Howard i asked this question a while back aswell as a few other's ross done his best to answer them but couldn't answer this one.

if you where to fail to qualify from 1 Riley's could a player try to qualify from another Riley's?

seeing as you said in your last post to ask yourself regarding entry criteria are my allowed to enter this?(as i havent won anything through the SPA but im up there in the rankings)


Derek Easton


You're in the top 64 Derek so according to Ross's post above you can't play.


John where have I said the top 64 of the IMs.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 24-07-2011 13:29
#338

Think you will find that it is the top 64 of the IPA Tour that Howard will not be letting anyone in.

Only Cat As plus players who have won major events.

That's what he said to me.

Posted by knowledge on 24-07-2011 13:41
#339

FlyingScotsman wrote:

His views on this event are quite clear, he does not want players who have won major events or players who are in the top 64 of this or Internationals or Cat As ,



Sorry Ross when you said "major events or top 64 of this", given our major events are IM and Maxis tour that would be top 64 on these tours.

Obviously you've had a wee think and realised that by the post above you'd be ruling out over 100 regular Scottish players. Time will tell when we see who represents the other nations if the Scots are getting shafted.

Anyway it's a pool tourney with a few quid in it so it'll be getting cut up somewhere and the goalposts will keep getting moved till you get the field and the rules you want. Not necessarily you personally.

Rileys "support the SPA" but the people who are getting ruled out here are the biggest supporters of the SPA. I hope it's a success and I hope Rileys make a nice few quid out of it but just once I'd like to see a big tourney run with the goalposts remaining constant.

Howard, my points regarding categories in Scotland (and especially Antz) are more to point out how ridiculously our categories are managed, not to get at or annoy you. If the categories were correct there would be no need for decisions or vetos.

Or did you mean top 64 by Christian name in which case Aaron Finnie need not bother or top 64 by height in which case Kenny Blythe will be struggling?

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 24-07-2011 14:59
#340

knowledge wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:

His views on this event are quite clear, he does not want players who have won major events or players who are in the top 64 of this or Internationals or Cat As ,



Sorry Ross when you said "major events or top 64 of this", given our major events are IM and Maxis tour that would be top 64 on these tours.

Obviously you've had a wee think and realised that by the post above you'd be ruling out over 100 regular Scottish players. Time will tell when we see who represents the other nations if the Scots are getting shafted.

Anyway it's a pool tourney with a few quid in it so it'll be getting cut up somewhere and the goalposts will keep getting moved till you get the field and the rules you want. Not necessarily you personally.

Rileys "support the SPA" but the people who are getting ruled out here are the biggest supporters of the SPA. I hope it's a success and I hope Rileys make a nice few quid out of it but just once I'd like to see a big tourney run with the goalposts remaining constant.

Howard, my points regarding categories in Scotland (and especially Antz) are more to point out how ridiculously our categories are managed, not to get at or annoy you. If the categories were correct there would be no need for decisions or vetos.

Or did you mean top 64 by Christian name in which case Aaron Finnie need not bother or top 64 by height in which case Kenny Blythe will be struggling?


John are you having a laugh.

Every time I come on here now you are moaning about something.

Where have I had a re think, it is nothing to do with ME who gets in or out.

I have read Howard's posts on this and other sites where he quotes the points I am putting on here.

So please again John, just to make sure you get it, the players who can or who cannot get into this event have nothing, I say nothing to do with ME.

Posted by maxi on 24-07-2011 15:24
#341

Just ignore him, it's impossible to win against someone who changes his outlook depending on whether it affects him or not.

When the TC said there would be players ALWAYS considered Cat A and Antz was the prime example, John was on his high horse about players could give up th game, get worse etc so we eventually scrapped the criteria.

Now that the likes of Antz has dropped down a category they are once again a joke, guess what, John is now a Cat A.

Surprise surprise.

Posted by patchat on 24-07-2011 18:17
#342

FlyingScotsman wrote:
knowledge wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:

His views on this event are quite clear, he does not want players who have won major events or players who are in the top 64 of this or Internationals or Cat As ,



Sorry Ross when you said "major events or top 64 of this", given our major events are IM and Maxis tour that would be top 64 on these tours.

Obviously you've had a wee think and realised that by the post above you'd be ruling out over 100 regular Scottish players. Time will tell when we see who represents the other nations if the Scots are getting shafted.

Anyway it's a pool tourney with a few quid in it so it'll be getting cut up somewhere and the goalposts will keep getting moved till you get the field and the rules you want. Not necessarily you personally.

Rileys "support the SPA" but the people who are getting ruled out here are the biggest supporters of the SPA. I hope it's a success and I hope Rileys make a nice few quid out of it but just once I'd like to see a big tourney run with the goalposts remaining constant.

Howard, my points regarding categories in Scotland (and especially Antz) are more to point out how ridiculously our categories are managed, not to get at or annoy you. If the categories were correct there would be no need for decisions or vetos.

Or did you mean top 64 by Christian name in which case Aaron Finnie need not bother or top 64 by height in which case Kenny Blythe will be struggling?


John are you having a laugh.

Every time I come on here now you are moaning about something.

Where have I had a re think, it is nothing to do with ME who gets in or out.

I have read Howard's posts on this and other sites where he quotes the points I am putting on here.

So please again John, just to make sure you get it, the players who can or who cannot get into this event have nothing, I say nothing to do with ME.

Ross, will you confirm that you've have had no discussion with Howard regarding this event.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 24-07-2011 18:26
#343

LOL you as well,

You put on a previous post that he is my mate, well he is but he is also his own man, I can assure you of that and anyone who knows Howard will tell you the same, in fact if you get a word in, your doing well.

As for talking to Howard about the event, yes I have, lots of times, I am the SPA promoter, this is a pool event, need I say more.

If you want to word it better, did I ask or inform Howard who could or who could not enter this event, then, NO.

All you have to do is go back 3 years , the last time Riley's did a big pool event, did I tell Howard who can play in it then, NO again.

You seem to think this is a Scottish event, we have 8 places, what does that tell you, it tells me that there will be far more entries in England than what we get in Wales Scotland and Ireland put together.
Howard works for Riley's, he loves his job, he may listen to me in a lot of things but this time I can assure you, I had nothing to do with who can and who cannot get in this event.

That good enough for you and please change your name, my best mate thinks you only use that because you want to be liked.

Posted by samuri on 24-07-2011 20:46
#344

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Darren I think you will find that the finals are on the 12th of Nov. correct, thats why i posted bud!

Riley's put their dates out before the SPA reps added another B event. why didn't the spa find another date that doesn't clash?

As there will be only 6 players from the SPA going there and they will come from 6 different areas, I don't think this will really make much of a difference to teams. might make a difference to entries tho pal, players may want to play in both, especially as the top boys can't enter!!

Players can still enter knowing if they do qualify then their league will bring in a reserve. true but i think a weekend with their pals at our best team venue(imo) will be more appealing don't you think??

One other thing is the finals are on Sat the 12th only one day, go down there, win the event and come back up to help your teasm win the Supers, would be a fantastic weekend? agree, wouldn't argue with you on that but a very, very long day lol

Edited by samuri on 24-07-2011 20:48

Posted by knowledge on 24-07-2011 21:05
#345

maxi wrote:
Just ignore him, it's impossible to win against someone who changes his outlook depending on whether it affects him or not.

When the TC said there would be players ALWAYS considered Cat A and Antz was the prime example, John was on his high horse about players could give up th game, get worse etc so we eventually scrapped the criteria.

Now that the likes of Antz has dropped down a category they are once again a joke, guess what, John is now a Cat A.

Surprise surprise.


It impossible to win when you're wrong Maxi, which you are. Being Cat A makes no difference to me, I only play when it suits me.

My point, as you are well aware is Ross has continually backed the TC with all their hare brained nonsense (a top player winning the grassroots etc) and now on the first occasion the cats really needed to be used for a national event, they are being overruled.

The cats are either right or wrong, Ross thinks they are wrong, Howard thinks they are wrong and I would say most people outside the TC think they are wrong.

Ironically the only one anywhere near right is Cat A although with the loophole you made the like of Antz and yourself who have won major events slip through the net.

Fancy all this benefitting you, who'd have thought it.smhmm

You got your name in this yet?

You may remember I compared this to golf. If you have been a Cat 1 golfer, and you have chucked it, you have to have your handicap nationally re-awarded. The committee also has the facility to adjust your handicap arbitrarily if necessary.

In fact, you won't remember that. Doesn't suit you. You'd have stayed Cat A.

Posted by knowledge on 24-07-2011 21:14
#346

patchat wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
knowledge wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:

His views on this event are quite clear, he does not want players who have won major events or players who are in the top 64 of this or Internationals or Cat As ,



Sorry Ross when you said "major events or top 64 of this", given our major events are IM and Maxis tour that would be top 64 on these tours.

Obviously you've had a wee think and realised that by the post above you'd be ruling out over 100 regular Scottish players. Time will tell when we see who represents the other nations if the Scots are getting shafted.

Anyway it's a pool tourney with a few quid in it so it'll be getting cut up somewhere and the goalposts will keep getting moved till you get the field and the rules you want. Not necessarily you personally.

Rileys "support the SPA" but the people who are getting ruled out here are the biggest supporters of the SPA. I hope it's a success and I hope Rileys make a nice few quid out of it but just once I'd like to see a big tourney run with the goalposts remaining constant.

Howard, my points regarding categories in Scotland (and especially Antz) are more to point out how ridiculously our categories are managed, not to get at or annoy you. If the categories were correct there would be no need for decisions or vetos.

Or did you mean top 64 by Christian name in which case Aaron Finnie need not bother or top 64 by height in which case Kenny Blythe will be struggling?


John are you having a laugh.

Every time I come on here now you are moaning about something.

Where have I had a re think, it is nothing to do with ME who gets in or out.

I have read Howard's posts on this and other sites where he quotes the points I am putting on here.

So please again John, just to make sure you get it, the players who can or who cannot get into this event have nothing, I say nothing to do with ME.

Ross, will you confirm that you've have had no discussion with Howard regarding this event.


Howard states he got advice from SPA people who told him who to exclude, just look back the posts. Now I know Ross will say he is no longer an SPA official but he chaired the last meeting.

Enough said.

No Ross I am not having a laugh I just like to make the same point repeatedly to ensure it sinks in and because I have learned it is the only way to get any good done in the SPA.

That is of course unless my opinion of good matches yours or Maxis in which case the ideas get implemented immediately.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 24-07-2011 21:15
#347

samuri wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
Darren I think you will find that the finals are on the 12th of Nov. correct, thats why i posted bud!

Riley's put their dates out before the SPA reps added another B event. why didn't the spa find another date that doesn't clash?

As there will be only 6 players from the SPA going there and they will come from 6 different areas, I don't think this will really make much of a difference to teams. might make a difference to entries tho pal, players may want to play in both, especially as the top boys can't enter!!

Players can still enter knowing if they do qualify then their league will bring in a reserve. true but i think a weekend with their pals at our best team venue(imo) will be more appealing don't you think??

One other thing is the finals are on Sat the 12th only one day, go down there, win the event and come back up to help your teasm win the Supers, would be a fantastic weekend? agree, wouldn't argue with you on that but a very, very long day lol

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 24-07-2011 21:15
#348

samuri wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
Darren I think you will find that the finals are on the 12th of Nov. correct, thats why i posted bud!

Riley's put their dates out before the SPA reps added another B event. why didn't the spa find another date that doesn't clash?

As there will be only 6 players from the SPA going there and they will come from 6 different areas, I don't think this will really make much of a difference to teams. might make a difference to entries tho pal, players may want to play in both, especially as the top boys can't enter!!

Players can still enter knowing if they do qualify then their league will bring in a reserve. true but i think a weekend with their pals at our best team venue(imo) will be more appealing don't you think??

One other thing is the finals are on Sat the 12th only one day, go down there, win the event and come back up to help your teasm win the Supers, would be a fantastic weekend? agree, wouldn't argue with you on that but a very, very long day lol


Darren, You ask why did the SPA not find another date that did not clash with this event.

Well Darren, you tell me what date was available?
Maxi British Open was on this date as well, the weekend before that we have the Scottish Finals, the weekend before that we have the Scottish 5 person team event, the weekend after that we have the Scottish Super A event, I did try for the weekend as players could not go into both events but the holiday camp has the SEPF event on that weekend, the weekend after that we have the origional date for the SuperB event and we could not take all the teams that wanted to go there as there were to many and we cannot get more tables in or get enough caravans to take that many teams.

So that left us with the date we have , it does clash with the Riley event, it does clash with Maxi's British Team event but it was the only one that we could use that the holiday camp could give us, unless we went into the middle of December which would mean players again having to travel with the possibility of bad weather.

Now after saying all that I was asked by the SPA reps to put this event on because their members wanted to play in the Super B event, no area reps wanted their players to miss out on a weekend, the reps looked at other options but came back to this, these reps which inculde your league reps wanted it this way.

Lastly again I say only 6 players will qualify for the Riley event, these 6 will come from different teams, so only one player will be missing from your team IF he wins the qualifier.

Edited by FlyingScotsman on 24-07-2011 22:22

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 25-07-2011 13:26
#349

Now after all this will the SPA players support this event.

I have today asked that the cut off date for the 6 SPA qualifiers be extended as we along with the SEPF now know how many qualifiers we have.

This extra few weeks will enable the SPA to give full details of this event to all it's members.

Again as the big boys are not allowed to enter this comp from not just the SPA but all pool bodies in the UK, this should be one cracking event for someone to play in and win £2500.

The prize fund goes right down to the 32 finalists and this will pay for the travel etc, it is a one day event and the finals will be held in the north of England, Mancheater/Liverpool are favs.

I have also asked Riley's to allow SPA officails/players to be the tournament directors at each venue, this will make sure that the events will be well run.

Edited by FlyingScotsman on 25-07-2011 13:51

Posted by Davie Dewar on 25-07-2011 15:09
#350

Sorry if this has been answered previously but do we know where the local qualifiers are going to be taking place??


Posted by FlyingScotsman on 25-07-2011 15:15
#351

Davie Dewar wrote:
Sorry if this has been answered previously but do we know where the local qualifiers are going to be taking place??


Davie there will ne no local qualifiers, every entry will go direct to the regoinal qualifiers, in thr Riley clubs, there each venue will run the comp, where the winner will go down to England right into the final 32 places.

Every player who qualify's for the finals will be into the prize money, I think it is £100 for getting to the last 32, that will pay for his exs.

Money goes up each round, with the winner getting £2500.

So if the Dunfermline boys pay £10 to enter, they can chose which Riley's venue to go to , to qualify, Edinburgh, Stirling? your choice but again with no Cat A players or major winners from the past or present, here is a great chance for our boys to win something big.

Posted by lumie on 25-07-2011 16:11
#352

No qualifier in Dunfermline?

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 25-07-2011 16:15
#353

At present Riley's have said Stirling Perth Glasgow Bellshill Edinburgh and Inverness.

Posted by lumie on 25-07-2011 16:19
#354

Cmon Ross,use your influence and have a word in your mucker Howards lug.I think the DDPL numbers would rise sharply if there was a qualifier there

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 25-07-2011 16:38
#355

I agree with you, I think and before anyone says it is because I live in Dunfermline that they would get more entries if they held one there.

Posted by Steed Snr on 25-07-2011 16:49
#356

Myself an jnr played in this 3 years ago at dunfermline and only about 6 turned up and 4 of them were from outside dungfermline. Harky got to the finals and got beat off the eventual winner in the 1/4s or last 16

Edited by Steed Snr on 25-07-2011 23:57

Posted by samuri on 25-07-2011 21:30
#357

FlyingScotsman wrote:Darren, You ask why did the SPA not find another date that did not clash with this event.

Well Darren, you tell me what date was available?
Maxi British Open was on this date as well, the weekend before that we have the Scottish Finals, the weekend before that we have the Scottish 5 person team event, the weekend after that we have the Scottish Super A event, I did try for the weekend as players could not go into both events but the holiday camp has the SEPF event on that weekend, the weekend after that we have the origional date for the SuperB event and we could not take all the teams that wanted to go there as there were to many and we cannot get more tables in or get enough caravans to take that many teams.

So that left us with the date we have , it does clash with the Riley event, it does clash with Maxi's British Team event but it was the only one that we could use that the holiday camp could give us, unless we went into the middle of December which would mean players again having to travel with the possibility of bad weather.

Now after saying all that I was asked by the SPA reps to put this event on because their members wanted to play in the Super B event, no area reps wanted their players to miss out on a weekend, the reps looked at other options but came back to this, these reps which inculde your league reps wanted it this way.

Lastly again I say only 6 players will qualify for the Riley event, these 6 will come from different teams, so only one player will be missing from your team IF he wins the qualifier.



FTR i'm not arguing with you Ross, just asking questions... that ok?

i don't know what dates are/aren't available, thats why i posted... got my answer so thanks.

Posted by howard miller on 26-07-2011 12:00
#358

Del E wrote:
hi Howard i asked this question a while back aswell as a few other's ross done his best to answer them but couldn't answer this one.

if you where to fail to qualify from 1 Riley's could a player try to qualify from another Riley's?

seeing as you said in your last post to ask yourself regarding entry criteria are my allowed to enter this?(as i havent won anything through the SPA but im up there in the rankings)


Derek Easton


To be fair Derek its highly unlikely as all regional finals are scheduled on the same day. I think you are right, it would have been nice to have them on different dates as I assume you are suggesting but it was simply finding dates where in Scotland especially the diary is manic

Posted by howard miller on 26-07-2011 12:02
#359

knowledge wrote:
Del E wrote:
hi Howard i asked this question a while back aswell as a few other's ross done his best to answer them but couldn't answer this one.

if you where to fail to qualify from 1 Riley's could a player try to qualify from another Riley's?

seeing as you said in your last post to ask yourself regarding entry criteria are my allowed to enter this?(as i havent won anything through the SPA but im up there in the rankings)


Derek Easton


You're in the top 64 Derek so according to Ross's post above you can't play.


Is that of the IM's or the IPA tour? If it is the former, there is on the assumption they break no other conditions no exclusions that I know of that restrict him entering, and if its the latter, then you would be correct

Posted by howard miller on 26-07-2011 12:05
#360

knowledge wrote:
patchat wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
knowledge wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:

His views on this event are quite clear, he does not want players who have won major events or players who are in the top 64 of this or Internationals or Cat As ,



Sorry Ross when you said "major events or top 64 of this", given our major events are IM and Maxis tour that would be top 64 on these tours.

Obviously you've had a wee think and realised that by the post above you'd be ruling out over 100 regular Scottish players. Time will tell when we see who represents the other nations if the Scots are getting shafted.

Anyway it's a pool tourney with a few quid in it so it'll be getting cut up somewhere and the goalposts will keep getting moved till you get the field and the rules you want. Not necessarily you personally.

Rileys "support the SPA" but the people who are getting ruled out here are the biggest supporters of the SPA. I hope it's a success and I hope Rileys make a nice few quid out of it but just once I'd like to see a big tourney run with the goalposts remaining constant.

Howard, my points regarding categories in Scotland (and especially Antz) are more to point out how ridiculously our categories are managed, not to get at or annoy you. If the categories were correct there would be no need for decisions or vetos.

Or did you mean top 64 by Christian name in which case Aaron Finnie need not bother or top 64 by height in which case Kenny Blythe will be struggling?


John are you having a laugh.

Every time I come on here now you are moaning about something.

Where have I had a re think, it is nothing to do with ME who gets in or out.

I have read Howard's posts on this and other sites where he quotes the points I am putting on here.

So please again John, just to make sure you get it, the players who can or who cannot get into this event have nothing, I say nothing to do with ME.

Ross, will you confirm that you've have had no discussion with Howard regarding this event.


Howard states he got advice from SPA people who told him who to exclude, just look back the posts. Now I know Ross will say he is no longer an SPA official but he chaired the last meeting.

Enough said.

No Ross I am not having a laugh I just like to make the same point repeatedly to ensure it sinks in and because I have learned it is the only way to get any good done in the SPA.

That is of course unless my opinion of good matches yours or Maxis in which case the ideas get implemented immediately.


I know many people in the SPA and of course Ross was one of them bu there were others whose opinions I sought out, both in Scotland, Wales and England. Their views differed but ultimately all helped me to come to the decision we have.
Only time will tell if its wrong or right, hopefully it wil e the latter

Posted by howard miller on 26-07-2011 12:09
#361

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Now after all this will the SPA players support this event.

I have today asked that the cut off date for the 6 SPA qualifiers be extended as we along with the SEPF now know how many qualifiers we have.

This extra few weeks will enable the SPA to give full details of this event to all it's members.

Again as the big boys are not allowed to enter this comp from not just the SPA but all pool bodies in the UK, this should be one cracking event for someone to play in and win £2500.

The prize fund goes right down to the 32 finalists and this will pay for the travel etc, it is a one day event and the finals will be held in the north of England, Mancheater/Liverpool are favs.

I have also asked Riley's to allow SPA officails/players to be the tournament directors at each venue, this will make sure that the events will be well run.


Ypou are most certainly spot on about your last point Ross. The offer the SPA made to actually run the regionals went down really well. Before someone asks thats not because our managers cant, it simply frees them up for other duties as well as being able to relax knowing that all logistics will be taken care of. I am equally hopeful that the SEPF may well run their two, we shall see!

Posted by howard miller on 26-07-2011 12:13
#362

Davie Dewar wrote:
Sorry if this has been answered previously but do we know where the local qualifiers are going to be taking place??



Yes, they were meant to be, Inverness, Borders area, Aberdeen, Perth, Edinburgh,Stirling, Glasgow and Bellshill. You will all notice I said 'meant to be ' am waiting for confirmation, but if reports I have recieved are accurate then one of those will unfortunately disappear, and maybe along with it one qualifying space

Am on holiday tomorrow for two weeks and I will try and sure I confirm all details before I leave

Posted by Del E on 26-07-2011 13:20
#363

howard miller wrote:
knowledge wrote:
Del E wrote:
hi Howard i asked this question a while back aswell as a few other's ross done his best to answer them but couldn't answer this one.

if you where to fail to qualify from 1 Riley's could a player try to qualify from another Riley's?

seeing as you said in your last post to ask yourself regarding entry criteria are my allowed to enter this?(as i havent won anything through the SPA but im up there in the rankings)


Derek Easton


You're in the top 64 Derek so according to Ross's post above you can't play.


Is that of the IM's or the IPA tour? If it is the former, there is on the assumption they break no other conditions no exclusions that I know of that restrict him entering, and if its the latter, then you would be correct


its the SPA IM's Howard,thanks for your response.

Posted by Claire on 26-07-2011 13:30
#364

Some of the women should be throwing their ten quid in this too, nothing ventured n all that!

Posted by maxi on 26-07-2011 14:24
#365

Del E wrote:

its the SPA IM's Howard,thanks for your response.


It's only the top 64 on the IPA Tour who are excluded.

In Scotland it's only our Cat A players and a handful of players who have won major Scottish or International singles events.

Posted by maxi on 30-08-2011 23:04
#366

This is what you were looking for Davy.

Posted by HUTCHIE on 02-09-2011 09:52
#367

There will be 8 Scottish qualifers for the Rileys UK Masters

1. Aberdeen
2.
3.Perth
4. Inverness
5. Stirling
6.Bellshill
7.Edinburgh
8.Glasgow

Are entrants allotted venues by TD?Or optional?

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 02-09-2011 10:51
#368

Optional but Davy I would wait until the meeting on Sunday, I want to confirm a few things with Riley's regarding venues and dates for the SPA qualifiers.

Posted by furrybeast on 02-09-2011 10:55
#369

Leaving it a bit late aren't you - thought the closing date was the 9th Sept?

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 02-09-2011 11:08
#370

That's one of the points George, Riley's have said the closing date is the 9th that way they can sort out their entries.

Inform all the players where the other qualifiers are going to be held.

As the SPA have their qualifiers, I will be asking that the SPA run the events and so allow entries right up to the qualifying date, this will help Riley's get more players into the event and it will give the SPA more time to do the events better.

Aberdeen could do the same.

Edited by FlyingScotsman on 02-09-2011 11:09

Posted by howard miller on 02-09-2011 14:14
#371

Just spoke to Ross, and I have given him and the SPA the green light to extend the entry deadline. This will apply both to all the various SPA qualifiers and the WR qualifier in Aberdeen

Ross will no doubt keep you up to date with ll developments

Posted by paddymoir on 05-09-2011 11:57
#372

Would it be possible I can enter this tourni or am I to late . Ave just started back practising and i am looking to enter some tournaments again

Posted by secretary on 05-09-2011 15:10
#373

paddymoir wrote:
Would it be possible I can enter this tourni or am I to late . Ave just started back practising and i am looking to enter some tournaments again



You're on banned list, sorry Paddy.

Posted by secretary on 05-09-2011 15:10
#374

paddymoir wrote:
Would it be possible I can enter this tourni or am I to late . Ave just started back practising and i am looking to enter some tournaments again



You're on banned list, sorry Paddy.

Posted by paddymoir on 05-09-2011 15:40
#375

Why am I on banned list?

Posted by secretary on 05-09-2011 15:43
#376

paddymoir wrote:
Why am I on banned list?



Howard says so.

Posted by paddymoir on 05-09-2011 15:46
#377

Ok fair enough

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 05-09-2011 17:51
#378

Sorry Paddy but what Davy has said is true.
Mr Miller does not want players that have won major events , like yourself, in the event.

Some other bad news for you, as you are thinking of coming back to play, my Club tour will be adding a new name, Paddy Moir, to good to get into the qualifiers.

Posted by paddymoir on 06-09-2011 08:36
#379

That's fine Ross - but I will be starting at cat b level as I have not played for over three years - is that correct. ?

Posted by secretary on 06-09-2011 09:39
#380

paddymoir wrote:
That's fine Ross - but I will be starting at cat b level as I have not played for over three years - is that correct. ?



Aye..... but just the first frame Paddy.....

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 06-09-2011 10:12
#381

paddymoir wrote:
That's fine Ross - but I will be starting at cat b level as I have not played for over three years - is that correct. ?


Could not answer that one Paddy as I am not on the TC.

Posted by maxi on 06-09-2011 10:18
#382

paddymoir wrote:
That's fine Ross - but I will be starting at cat b level as I have not played for over three years - is that correct. ?


Yes, you are currently Cat B Paddy.

Posted by in off on 06-09-2011 10:50
#383

can i get in this comp ? lee killen

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 06-09-2011 11:10
#384

Yes

Posted by in off on 06-09-2011 11:46
#385

how do i enter ross ? or can you put me in

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 06-09-2011 15:42
#386

I will be doing a post on this tonight after I have talked to all the Riley clubs on which date suits them for the qualifiers.

Unlike other areas all over the UK, the SPA have agreed to the 6/7 qualifiers who will go striaght into the final 32 to play for the £10000.
with all the top players in the UK not being able to qualify, this will really give someone a much better chance of winning the £2500 first prize.

Posted by in off on 06-09-2011 15:55
#387

thanks Ross

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 06-09-2011 16:00
#388

On this subject I am looking for players/area reps to help run these in their area.

The following Riley clubs will be used;
Stirling
Dunfermline
Bellshill
Glasgow
Inverness
Edinburgh

Anyone interested in helping can post on here.
The events will be held over one day Sat/Sun.

Edited by FlyingScotsman on 06-09-2011 16:00

Posted by paddymoir on 06-09-2011 16:01
#389

Than you mr maxi

Posted by Steed Snr on 06-09-2011 16:14
#390

paddymoir wrote:
Why am I on banned list?
I think it's to do with you conduct and not your ability ;)

Posted by paddymoir on 07-09-2011 09:17
#391

Thankyou mr steed - hope you are fine mate

Posted by thekid on 07-09-2011 10:46
#392

Big paddy back on the seen.. Superb!!

Posted by howard miller on 10-09-2011 10:35
#393

Here's one Ross, does Mr Moir qualify for the legends?

...and does he know there will be a lot of French people goimg to Jersey!!!!

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 10-09-2011 10:40
#394

Paddy's to young for the Legends, he will I know want to go to Jersey as long as the wife says it's ok.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 10-09-2011 10:46
#395

Never knew that we had so many qualifiers tournaments at local level.

I am trying to get the right people to run the Riley events but as I talk to them, they are saying that date is no good we have this or that on.

Hard work.

I will be putting on 6 posts one for each venue, informing everyone when and who is running the qualifier for the finals.
Players can then post on here or send their money to Rileys to enter, players can enter right up until the time of the draw on the event day.
We need all area reps to help get numbers into this event, it is hard enough getting sponsors to put up money, so when Rileys are having a £10000 comp where non of the top players in the UK are allowed to enter, I would expect lots of SPA members to enter and one of them take the top prize of £2500 home to Scotland.

Full details of venues dates will be on here this weekend, anyone wishing to help, please get in touch with me.

Edited by FlyingScotsman on 10-09-2011 10:46

Posted by paddymoir on 10-09-2011 18:39
#396

Thànkyou mr howard. I would love to go to jersey Ross. The practice is coming a long just fine. Can't wait to be playing tournaments again

Posted by buzzbomb on 10-09-2011 18:54
#397

paddymoir wrote:
Thànkyou mr howard. I would love to go to jersey Ross. The practice is coming a long just fine. Can't wait to be playing tournaments again


Be great to have you back mate.:D

Posted by FCBash on 28-09-2011 12:59
#398

Can anyone confirm the venue for the national finals on 12 November? Can't seem to find it anywehere, not even on Riley's website....

Regards,

Posted by Slicer on 28-09-2011 13:08
#399

maxi wrote:
paddymoir wrote:
That's fine Ross - but I will be starting at cat b level as I have not played for over three years - is that correct. ?


Yes, you are currently Cat B Paddy.


Cat C next year son! :-)

Posted by Tuco on 01-10-2011 22:55
#400

Anyone know when these qualifiers are taking place? Rileys website still says TBA and the guy I talked to in Rileys didn't have a clue about it.

Posted by scooby on 01-10-2011 23:11
#401

im running the qualifier in rileys ledard road glasgow on 16th october if you are wanting a place let me know players to be in before twelve o clock

Posted by Tuco on 01-10-2011 23:34
#402

I've paid a tenner on the Rileys website to join the Coatbridge one already but the guy from there doesn't know what's going on.

Posted by Drover on 01-10-2011 23:41
#403

there isn't a Coatbridge one

Posted by scooby on 01-10-2011 23:45
#404

SPEAK TO RILEYS AND SEE IF YOU CAN TRANSFER YOUR ENTRY TO THE GLASGOW ONE IF YOU WANT M8

Edited by scooby on 01-10-2011 23:45

Posted by Drover on 01-10-2011 23:47
#405

FlyingScotsman wrote:
Bellshill Monday nights starting on the 19th of Sep/ full details call George George Fagan 07838446447 club 01698 229780
Dunfermline 1st Oct Davy Duncan 07803264780 club 01383 733555
Edinburgh 15th Oct Danny Turner 07718950680 club 0131 661 6619
Glasgow 16th Oct Scott Grady 07889892685 club 0141 636 1944
Inverness 15th Oct Iain Gillis 07708364263 club 01463 229780
Stirling 15th Oct Johnny McGurk 07876342593 club 01786 046363

These are the dates and contacts for all six venues.

Best of luck to all qualifiers.

Posted by Tuco on 01-10-2011 23:47
#406

Cheers, I'll try that.

Posted by Tuco on 01-10-2011 23:52
#407

There's a Coatbridge one on the Rileys website where I signed up for it. Good of the NO SWEARING!!s to keep it updated.

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 02-10-2011 09:06
#408

Riley's have over 100 clubs, they have or could take entries from all of them, these are not regional , once the entries are taken in Riley's will inform all entries where the 32 regional places to get to the finals will take place.

Here in Scotland we have informed everyone before the cut off date, so instead you anyone trying to qualify from their club to go to a regional venue we have told the players that they cab chose which one to go to.

Posted by Craig88 on 02-10-2011 13:55
#409

Drover wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
Bellshill Monday nights starting on the 19th of Sep/ full details call George George Fagan 07838446447 club 01698 229780
Dunfermline 1st Oct Davy Duncan 07803264780 club 01383 733555
Edinburgh 15th Oct Danny Turner 07718950680 club 0131 661 6619
Glasgow 16th Oct Scott Grady 07889892685 club 0141 636 1944
Inverness 15th Oct Iain Gillis 07708364263 club 01463 229780
Stirling 15th Oct Johnny McGurk 07876342593 club 01786 046363

These are the dates and contacts for all six venues.

Best of luck to all qualifiers.



Rileys Stirling Contact Number: 01786 446363 :)

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 03-10-2011 22:04
#410

Tuco wrote:
I've paid a tenner on the Rileys website to join the Coatbridge one already but the guy from there doesn't know what's going on.



as did I mate.....

I would like to know whats going on there?????

why Advertise a place to Qualifie from then not have a Qualifier at that venue????

smhmm

I would like to know how I get my money back????

or can I just get free entry into Glasgow Qualifier???
smhmm

Posted by scooby on 03-10-2011 22:07
#411

IM PRETTY SURE THAT YOU WILL GET YOUR ENTRY INTO THE GLASGOW ONE M8 THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ENTERED THROUGH OTHER VENUES

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 03-10-2011 23:00
#412

False advertising tho.....
why have us pick a venue???

Posted by scooby on 03-10-2011 23:03
#413

im sure you will get an explanation m8 i cant answer all the time lol

Posted by JASONVOORHEES on 03-10-2011 23:07
#414

yes ye can

Posted by howard miller on 11-10-2011 08:18
#415

JASONVOORHEES wrote:
Tuco wrote:
I've paid a tenner on the Rileys website to join the Coatbridge one already but the guy from there doesn't know what's going on.



as did I mate.....

I would like to know whats going on there?????

why Advertise a place to Qualifie from then not have a Qualifier at that venue????

smhmm

I would like to know how I get my money back????

or can I just get free entry into Glasgow Qualifier???
smhmm



Maybe I am being a bit dense here, or simply misunderstanding yout point, I am sure you will correct me if I have Sir

You entered from Coatbridge, as some have entered from Plymouth, Perth and Watford, but when you nominated Coatbridge as your local venue/preferred venue, thats all it was.

At no time has anyone suggested that it will or would have been the venue for a regional final.The original intention as was the case south of the border was that if 'local qualifiers' were needed you would have played them in Coatbridge which would negate travelling any distance, save you money etc

Then came the slight problem with the choice policy and Scottish politics, so a deal was brokered with the SPA and SEPF for them to hold qualifiers (SPA 6 and SEPF 2) which would be played to BB and WR in the respective venues

The SEPF, and to be fair, to this day I am not 100% sure why, then declined the second of their qualifiers. Following that decision I then gave the SPA a seventh Regional final to ensure that Scotland get their eight places at the finals

As for you entry sir, I hope you dont think for a nano second that we would simply take your money and be done with it. All entries like yours we took from all our clubs were passed onto to the SPA and of course John in Aberdeen and they can then pick any of those qualifiers from which to particiapte from....and of course without further payment

I hope that clarifies everything

Edited by howard miller on 11-10-2011 08:18

Posted by billhunter on 11-10-2011 10:45
#416

In my view such misunderstandings could have been largely avoided had the Scottish qualifiers been better promoted on the SPA site. As it is site visitors have to wade through twenty-odd forum pages to gain an inkling of what this event is about.... that is if they happen to stumble upon the relevant forum in the first place.
An eye-catching banner at the top of the home page of this site which, when clicked, brought up a comprehensive, well-presented overview of the UK tournament and of how the Scottish qualifiers are being run, on a single web page, would have done the trick.
The SPA's online promotion of what is after all a tremendous opportunity for grassroots players to compete in a major pool tournament could have been so much better.

Edited by billhunter on 11-10-2011 16:24

Posted by DAWG on 12-10-2011 13:32
#417

Has the loction of the finals been decided yet?

Also is there only 32 qualifiers, ie 32 players will be at the main event?

Posted by Iggy on 12-10-2011 18:32
#418

billhunter wrote:
In my view such misunderstandings could have been largely avoided had the Scottish qualifiers been better promoted on the SPA site. As it is site visitors have to wade through twenty-odd forum pages to gain an inkling of what this event is about.... that is if they happen to stumble upon the relevant forum in the first place.
An eye-catching banner at the top of the home page of this site which, when clicked, brought up a comprehensive, well-presented overview of the UK tournament and of how the Scottish qualifiers are being run, on a single web page, would have done the trick.
The SPA's online promotion of what is after all a tremendous opportunity for grassroots players to compete in a major pool tournament could have been so much better.


I hope your not suggesting that the SPA fail to promote events. You can find info on Scottish Singles, Doubles, IM's etc all over the website..................... Well you may do, if you trawl through endless forums!!!!!

Edited by Iggy on 12-10-2011 18:34

Posted by jmg on 14-10-2011 15:07
#419

top....

stirling qualifier tomorrow 15th October

entries taken until 13:00pm



ps. A noticed that Ross had posted on here sum of the guys
who have paid directly to Riley's . But a now cannot see any
of these posts .smhelpless

Posted by FlyingScotsman on 14-10-2011 16:22
#420

JASONVOORHEES wrote:
Tuco wrote:
I've paid a tenner on the Rileys website to join the Coatbridge one already but the guy from there doesn't know what's going on.



as did I mate.....

I would like to know whats going on there?????

why Advertise a place to Qualifie from then not have a Qualifier at that venue????

smhmm

I would like to know how I get my money back????

or can I just get free entry into Glasgow Qualifier???
smhmm


John, Riley's have over 100 clubs, they have taken entries from a lot of them, some of them they did area qualifiers to then send these players to regional qualifiers.

Here in Scotland we did not have area qualifers, Riley's agreed with the SPA to send the entries striaght into Regional qualifers where the winner would go to the grand finals.

Now if I had told you that your area qualifer was Coatbridge, you would have went there, played one match, maybe, then you would have been told that you had qualified for the Regional finals, well done to you.
All that has happened here is that Riley's/SPA have saved you a trip to Coatbridge, that's all, so what ever petrol you saved, you can buy me a pint the next time we see each other.

John also I did send you an e mail saying that you were in the Regional final in Glasgow and that your payment had been received by Riley's, that is also the case for Tuco, you will see your named added a few weeks ago.

Edited by FlyingScotsman on 14-10-2011 16:25

Posted by billhunter on 17-10-2011 10:15
#421

Iggy wrote:
billhunter wrote:
In my view such misunderstandings could have been largely avoided had the Scottish qualifiers been better promoted on the SPA site. As it is site visitors have to wade through twenty-odd forum pages to gain an inkling of what this event is about.... that is if they happen to stumble upon the relevant forum in the first place.
An eye-catching banner at the top of the home page of this site which, when clicked, brought up a comprehensive, well-presented overview of the UK tournament and of how the Scottish qualifiers are being run, on a single web page, would have done the trick.
The SPA's online promotion of what is after all a tremendous opportunity for grassroots players to compete in a major pool tournament could have been so much better.


I hope your not suggesting that the SPA fail to promote events. You can find info on Scottish Singles, Doubles, IM's etc all over the website..................... Well you may do, if you trawl through endless forums!!!!!


The attendances at the SPA run qualifiers appear to support this conclusion.
Glasgow 21, Dunfermline 6. It would be interesting to know how many turned up at the rest.

Posted by scottishslack on 17-10-2011 14:26
#422

Bellshill over 40!

Posted by big al on 17-10-2011 16:07
#423

Edinburgh 6

Posted by big T on 17-10-2011 16:24
#424

al it was a good 6 but lol:D

Posted by mini hartson on 17-10-2011 16:27
#425

scottishslack wrote:
Bellshill over 40!


how many were from bellshill or there abouts :P

Posted by scooby on 17-10-2011 16:35
#426

dont think there was over 40 in bellshill

Posted by SHUFF on 17-10-2011 16:39
#427

scooby wrote:
dont think there was over 40 in bellshill


i miss read minis post...not actually sure of how many from the bellshill district..

Posted by SHUFF on 17-10-2011 16:42
#428

mini hartson wrote:
scottishslack wrote:
Bellshill over 40!


how many were from bellshill or there abouts :P


28 but more if you count the ones playing actually in the uddingston league

Posted by scottishslack on 17-10-2011 17:10
#429

There were 8 qualifying sections of 8. I know there were gaps in sections but the average was 4 or 5 which takes you to around the 40 mark.

Posted by legend killer on 17-10-2011 17:43
#430

26 entries from Arbroath.

Posted by Meaty on 18-10-2011 17:40
#431

12 in stirling